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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    If we don’t ride this out and open the schools as normal, it’ll open the floodgates. Based on previous patterns, when the schools close, so does everything else shortly after.

    If we can’t make it through this wave with this many vaccinated and boostered, without closing the schools AGAIN, we’re f*cked.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,650 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It would be reliable enough until the testing capacity ran out (remember that the modelling has an estimate for actual cases based on positivity rate not the daily reported data), India data would be far more unreliable thus harder to make a conclusion with, whereas comparing European countries is more likely to give an accurate comparison. It will be interesting to see what gets marked as excess deaths for India in 2021 and how they break that out month on month, which may give a truer picture (I'm unfamiliar with how accurate this would be seen as normally).



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,345 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    This. Schools dont open its as good as lockdown. Also if they dont this thing will carry on for another 6 months rather than 2 months.

    I doubt the government will fold though. Hopefully Norma Foley stands firm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Breaking it out monthly would do everything BUT give a more accurate picture. These monthly and in some cases weekly 'excess mortalities' are just attempts at bending the data to suit one's views.

    Its like me saying my mortgage is €1200 a day. Which is true on the first Monday every month.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    100%

    We've never actually exited those two weeks that we were told would flatten the curve..

    It's 2022 now. Regressing again on schools means that there's no real ambition to get out of this.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,650 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It doesn't do anything except give the tools to map it for proper analysis, by year would be dumb as it doesn't take into account when lockdowns and restrictions are enforced and then lifted (e.g. lockdown in Ireland caused lower than average deaths in 2020, but monthly analysis shows peaks in excess deaths for March-May when the pandemic started and then Jan-Feb of 2021 when we last tried to reduce restrictions in Wintertime).



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,875 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Are the teachers looking to make up the school time later in the term?



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




  • Registered Users Posts: 167 ✭✭noserider


    They will forgo their mid term

    break or 2 weeks at Easter….😂😂



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Intriguing article about minutes of a private meeting where CMO confirms communicating the message on moving to antigen testing would be difficult for NPHET having been against Antigen Testing from day one.


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    There's some Irony in what appears to be extraordinary absenteeism caused by self isolating requirements.

    If government restrictions didn't curtail you, Self isolating rules will 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 9,171 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    They need to get over themselves, they're human and they get things wrong!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,875 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    But they don’t think of themselves as human. Demigods.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,171 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    And yet they've already been proven wrong many times, strange that



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Klonker


    More worried about their image than the health of the nation.


    Its also because of NPHET that the government are only talking about rolling out hepa filters in schools now, NPHET said they weren't needed. Tony probably told them washing their hands would be more effective.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,171 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    For any business looking to fight COVID rules in the future simply quote this case where the fine was €100 for selling non-essential items during a lv5 lockdown



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I am far from being a hyperventilating left wing extremist authoritarian, but from your jumping through hoops on the GBD financed and promoted by the American Institute for Economic Research, a group from their "research" on sweatshops and their climate change denial where they state "There is no convincing scientific proof that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other hothouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth`s atmosphere and disruption of the Earth`s climate."I believe safe to describe AIER are a right wing libertarian well financed group affiliated to similar world wide. A description that would also seem to fit your views from your attempts at defending them.

    Where have you not seen my criticism of the GBD. ?

    I have shown where the financier and promotor`s "Senior Fellow" has published under their name such "scientific" facts that the spread of Covid declines to nearly zero after 70 days no matter where in the world it occurs, and declared that John Ioannidis immunity claims on immunity through infection had been confirmed as correct. Anybody capable of simple multiplication can see why that one has been totally debunked. I have also pointed out that the GBD was nothing other than the BS that herd immunity was achievable via infection where any that chased it failed to achieve it, not for the least of reasons being their own seroprevalence studies showed it was unachievable, and anywhere that believed they had achieved, it such as Amazonas (who actually based their belief on a seroprevalence report) and India were just kidding themselves.

    Just in case you haven`t worked it out from what I have said, the GBD is a pot of piss financed and promoted by a very dodgy outfit with deep pockets in pursuit of their own agenda rather than anything for the benefit of mankind in general.



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Has any mention been made yet of how many people have received the booster?

    Curious to know If it's anywhere near the original vaccination rate, and whether or not they have a certain percentage in mind that will allow them to lift restrictions (other than 100% that is).



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    No clue about restrictions being linked to booster uptake, but 2.18mil boosters out of 3.83mil (about 57% uptake so far)

    I'm not sure on the % of eligible people as boosters are not approved for kids yet.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The mention of India, and Amazonas for that matter was in relation to this GBD, which was nothing other than a promotion of the herd immunity through infection idea. Both those believed they had achieved that but were sadly very wrong as subsequent events showed. Nothing to due with case curves and even now with even more infections than when they believed they had achieved it, unless I missed it, I haven`t seen either claim they have since.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    I have not the vaguest idea what you are saying.

    The article was written in September 2020 that stated that the spread of Covid declined close to zero after 70 days no matter where in the world it occurred. What that has to do with April 2020 and Philip Nolan I have no idea. There was no scientific basis to establish a baseline as it was nothing other than baseless speculation as Covid spread has not declined close to zero within 70 days which for all intents and purposes it would have meant it would have disappeared long before now. Rather than countries reporting their highest numbers of infections since this pandemic began.



  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    Like Groundhog Day every time you switch on RTÉ news. They could be running news segments from 8 months ago and no one would know any different.



  • Registered Users Posts: 497 ✭✭PalLimerick


    We are so lucky in here to have so many experts in virus's, data modelling and so on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    They all seemed to become virologists over night.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    You see this 'excess mortality' coming up in articles or interviews usually coupled w 'usual' or 'normal' instead of an average, which it in fact is. Statisticians are having a great time during Covid trying not to choke on their breakfast cerial in the morning..☺



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Well, anybody with a good brain should be able to infer certain things without going into the precise complex mechanisms behind the data. This is actually very important at a time when experts start misleading the public. When you start digging you will find other highly qualified dissenters with an opposing view to the presumed 'consensus' we are all supposed to follow. It has never been easier to do so. True, it also gives people the opportunity to act in bad faith but you might say that goes for the ones dismissing opposing views as well. To me it is still balancing scales. Most things are not as settled as supposed. If experts start insisting on a consensus that should be a red flag especially when politicians put them in front of a tv screen. In science there is no such thing as a consensus just the scientific method in which data seems to suggest that...etc



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    So it begins, RTE'S Morning Ireland back fully from an extended festive season sabbatical. A whole 2 hours, God bless the team as they struggle to find their way around the studio, figuring out what buttons to push.

    First 30 minutes, Guess what the Topics were,

    Hint, Schools and the C word 🙄

    RTE'S news output is as predictable as flys around Shyte 😏

    No Doubt Claire Byrne will arrive into Montrosia later this morning (or perhaps week) with Covid Guns Blazing 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    Yes I can see you’ve not the vaguest idea what I’m on about.

    Virus, and variants, wax and wane. A wave has an end - zero or low-level circulation.

    A man looked for a pattern, as is human nature. If a theory, discovery or postulated solution doesn’t stand up to subsequent scrutiny it doesn’t mean the motives were nefarious - much of what you’ve written is practically conspiracy theory.

    There’s apparently a few different rabbit holes people can fall down.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    They did a vox pop, one eastern European sounding mother said the schools should stay open as education is important. All the Irish-sounding parents said it was too dangerous to send children to school, and maybe the virus would be gone in two weeks' time.... Very clear to see who consumes RTEs unbalanced fear nonsense and who doesn't ...



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