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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That just looks like complete incompetence. A protest is not remotely surprising at this stage with people close to cracking and some already dug into trenches way past it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    But the Eastern Europeans are unvaccinated and taking ICU beds so their opinion doesn't count.

    (Being sarcastic by the way, taking the piss out of them being scapegoated a few weeks back)



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,902 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Good old Irish media. Now we know how we should feel about omicron...


    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭cannonballTaffyOjones


    eh ? it DIDN'T stop similar things happening in other countries, it happened all over the world !!


    I'm convinced you're trolling at this stage with this nonsense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    It's about the risk-benefit ratio, schools are a risk but they are a low risk by comparison to the benefit. Any parent who had to do a teachers job last year will tell you that



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭celt262


    Any parents that i have been speaking to want the schools to reopen they must choose who they speak to very carefully....



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Likewise, 28 parents on our WhatsApp school group, every single one of them wants the school to open as planned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,875 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,902 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    The whole discussion seems to be focused on staffing shortages in schools.

    That is an issue for every profession at the moment, but only the teachers unions are calling for their work places to be shut.

    Ffs, my kids have been dealing with substitute teachers for months on and off. If there are no teachers available for a specific class, perhaps they could tell those kids to stay home for a few days until cover is sourced.

    They have to find a means of living with this. Shut the schools now and they'll stay shut for another two months minimum. A bit of cop on is required at this stage.

    If the schools do close again the time WILL at this stage have to be made up by keeping the schools open into the summer holidays. I know the teachers here will be baying for my blood for saying that, but so many younger kids education has been absolutely decimated by these closures that hard decisions need to be made to ensure the education of children gets prioritized over teachers working entitlements.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    Thats it. Schools should open and if no cover can be found leave the class at home for the few days. Each school should be open but if they have to close for a day or 2 due to staffing so be it. I don't know of any teacher who wants to go back to online teaching. I hated it. And the children hated it.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It's quite extraordinary and your correct, serious shortages of staffing in hospitals, retail, manufacturing, supply chains and barely a whimper about it. RTE have long been obsessed with all things Teacher related.

    Perhaps the Teaching Unions not aware of a simple fact, most of us are aware of, Norma Foley not listening to unions (the One and only Trait, I begrudgingly admire in her)

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,902 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I know a lot of teachers made a huge effort with online but from my experience, my eldest got a lot of work from their teacher online and the interaction was good.

    Our youngest's teacher wasn't anywhere near as involved, he and a large cohort of his classmates have been receiving support this year with things they should have mastered in Junior Infants. He's making really good progress right now and to see the schools closing again would be a disaster, particularly since he still has the same teacher as last year and I'd be shocked if their attitude to online learning would have changed drastically since last year.

    Hopefully pragmatism will prevail, but that seems to be in short supply of late.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I mean if a teacher needs to isolate and there is no sub available then fair enough, 9-10 days of schooling remotely in that instance is completely understandable and acceptable. Secondary schools the effect is even less

    What benefit is there to closing every school in the country because if it though?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭Sammy2012


    I did my best with online. Was there all day every day for my class as totally understood that some could only work when their parents came home from work. I did live lessons with the kids 4 out of 5 days. But I hated every minute of it.


    When I spoke to my class before Christmas about the possibility of it return their little faces said it all. They were very upset at the thought of it. So I'm hopeful it won't come to that.


    I understand where you are coming in relation to your child. It is not possible for junior and senior infants to participate in online learning. There is a big increase in the numbers of children requiring support since this started. And the longer these closures continue the bigger the increase will be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Spoke to soon, I forgot Claire Byrne works school hours, we'll be spared her Covid Hysterics for a few days more.

    That said, Pompous Boucher Hayes at it already. Michael Gillespie (TUI) on now, schools should re open but schools should be allowed to decide.

    Good point raised as to why only yesterday the ASTI only raising concerns about Omicron yesterday 🤔

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    But theres loads of business closing because of lack of staff due to the current ridiculous isolation rules. My local pub, cafe are all closed for that reason, numerous business in town etc.

    What should be done is simply change the stupid isolation rules, if no teachers available then what should be done apart from sending kids home.

    This is going to be a little bit of a litmus test for COVID 2022, if they decide to not radically change isolation rules and close schools buckle in for 2022 being even more "abundance of caution"



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    None but we operate with abundance of caution dont forget. It should be up to each school individually if they dont have the staff to teach then send kids home.

    The issue is a little more acute in secondary schools mind, in primary one teachers minds one class, if ye can bring in a sub for that class then happy days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    O, I agree, my point being our National Broadcaster dedicating almost 70% of its news output on Schools, Teachers and barely a mention of other sectors far more impacted by absenteeism.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,902 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Teachers unions have long been the squeaky wheel of Irish public life. And so it remains.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,044 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    They will likely follow what they've done in the US and halve the isolation period for close contacts and positive cases.

    If you are symptomless after 5 days you can stop isolating - shows they now accept that stopping the spread is a pointless endeavour, and that keeping society functioning is more important.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Remember back in 2020 when some posters here said that we would still be in this thing in 2022 and they were laughed out the gate for being conspiracy theorists?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,689 ✭✭✭A Shaved Duck?


    Do those people want a medal for taking a punt with no evidence and being proved right?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Why an entire school? Should it not be done on a class-by-class basis, at least in primary school? Teacher has to isolate so class works remotely for a few days if no sub available

    With secondary schools, if a teacher is out that's only one class that students will miss out or have to catch up on or maybe the 1st year maths class has to be cancelled as the teacher will have to teach the 6th year physics class

    There's ways and means



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Taking a punt? I’d say it was more like them realizing that the “government” had/have absolutely no idea of how to get us out of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    I never said they should close an entire school????

    It isnt as easy with secondary schools. That one teacher will likely be teaching multiple classes across multiple years. Its only one class for that one student. What do ye do with that one class if no one to take them, lock them in the room for an hour? If for example 2 teachers are missing without cover it means multiple classes are missed across all years.

    Primary is easy imho, if no teacher or no sub then that class is taught remotely.

    In secondary what do ye do, stay at home for remote teaching of 1st year maths, then come in for 1st year history for an hour, back to remote for another hour etc etc.

    Of course just effin relax the stupid isolation rules and let everyone get on with life but someone tell NPHET that!



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Yeah they should.

    But dont forget its NPHET and "abundance of caution" it wouldnt surprise me one bit to see them close schools rather than accept stopping the spread is a pointless endeavour and that keeping society functioning is more important!

    If its best practise elsewhere and involves taking a risk of any sort expect it not to happen here, juts look at their antigen test stance.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    NPHET will definitely NOT recommend anything off message and keeping schools closed is not on Governments agenda.

    They'll reopen, there'll be staff issues, attendance issues but all Government want is them open.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Schools will open IMO. It could be a very bumpy few weeks but if as suggested we do hit the peak very soon, relatively short-lived.



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