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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭vegandinner


    The EU spent all last year telling NPHET to accept the fact that antigen testing works. To stop fining people for going to the airport with an intent to leave the country. NPHET are a law onto themselves



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    It may not be closed down but it is crumbling, not enough teachers to teach our young, not enough doctors or nurses to treat our sick..no diagnosis for any ailment unless you have covid test first..

    Palliative care was reduced..allowing our old to die without it.

    Supply shortage of food etc..15-18% reduction in staff..was reported here during the week...and NOT BECAUSE OF OMRICON-Covid as a disease..as 96% of our cases are omricon and the majority of ICU is delta variant..

    It's ALL because of the policies and rules in place..

    And let's not even start about the social side of society..

    It may not be fully closed down..but the fact they are changing the close contact rules..show that to prevent it happening they have to change the rules to keep society going..

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,875 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    What’s the difference? In both situations your freedom is being denied.



  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭MTU


    I see the covid cert to enter macdonalds a plus to combat obesity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    If they were for our health I'd agree. But they are not.

    I haven't seen one advertisement from our HSE to encourage a more healthy lifestyle.. or to lose weight in this whole thing.

    Shame though, cos this really was an opportunity to encourage people to be healthier.. to actually save lives and help the health service in the long run too.

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,583 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    You have to have a positive PCR to get the cert no matter what affect it had on you.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭morphy87


    Are the current restrictions in place till the 29th?

    Are the meeting the 15 to review restrictions?

    on a serious note when do you think they will announce if they are going to lift restrictions on the 29th? Surly they will give a week anyway if things are been lifted on the 29th



  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Whitters22


    Surely there'll be thousands in recent weeks unable to get a PCR isolating at home with a positive antigen and unfairly unable to attain a recovery cert?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,583 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Yep. It's a balls. My cert runs out on Saturday. I didn't use it anyway as I don't agree with them.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 127 ✭✭vegandinner


    They have no intention on lifting restrictions on hospitality



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  • Administrators Posts: 53,796 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    I think the 8pm thing will change. Hard to see people accepting that one continuing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The Vintners were bought off with MUP. Now they have gotten it, they'll go all out for a full pub reopening.

    If they don't then it shows they have zip influence anymore.

    The other fellow Cummins at the Restaurants association comes across as a guy who has been promised a gig, possibly with the EU. His Twitter timeline is full of government retweets about non hospitality pro-government stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,244 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    The Irish public has accepted every restriction for the last 2 years. Don't think this will be the hill people will die on.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,478 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    They accepted it coming in, it was just as illogical today as it was then so whats makes you think they will say anything now?



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,875 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    How will restricting a minority of people entering a McDonald’s do anything to combat obesity?

    And surely it just prevents them from eating inside, but not from actually entering and buying their crap?

    So more crap about restrictions for non-existent benefits. 🙄



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In the original papers introducing the Covid pass the EU emphasised that this was to maintain freedom of movement within the EU and underlined (numerous times) how it would not be an obligation to vaccinate - this was explicitly ruled out - if you wanted to travel. You could get it from i) vaccination (6 months) ii) « recovered » (6 months) or iii) tested (PCR 72h, antigen 24h) - any of these 3.

    Do you think there will be « forced vaccination » (I know you’re one of those people who think nothing is ever « forced » on the unvaxxed and that it’s all their own choice, but you know what I mean) this time around ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭choronzonix




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    I don’t see any nefarious conspiracy at all here. My reading of it would be that covid passes will stay for hospitality as NPHET believe that it’s a important measure to protect the health service.

    The problem I have with that is that the covid vaccines and boosters for healthy people under 50 has next to no impact on the key metrics, hospitalisation and ICU. Then there’s the fact that transmission is possibly only barely reduced. The passes are useless. Everyone knows it. But they’ll stay.

    Its all in tune with NPHET and their paternalistic ‘the public can’t be trusted, we know what’s best for them’ reasoning.

    This kind of obstinacy and conservatism has defined NPHET for me. Blunt tools that provide both little benefit and high collateral damage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Well observed re Cummins, he always played both ends of the pitch at the same time, outrage at restrictions whilst supporting government and of course blaming PUP for all his sectors problems, won't be long before he starts that nonsense again.

    The deafening silence since early December from ALL of the representative bodies is astonishing, partly driven by generous government supports but also because in reality there was little business anyway due to closure by stealth and hysteria and its a particularly lean time in Hospitality.

    Of course whilst the representative are happy, their members, particularly smaller one's are taking the brunt and debts mounting.

    There's an apparent narrative, A sure it will be grand in a month or so, of course that's dillusional. I personally don't see a quick recovery, in fact I see a lot of full closures.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭choronzonix


    Since I originally posted that clown meme a few pages back, let me clarify that I don't believe there is any grand conspiracy for forced vaccinations. The meme is meant more as an ironic commentary on people like you, who denounce people's concerns at such measures as either unfounded or conspiratorial, even as we see the goalposts moving before our eyes. When a government brings in a brand new law that restricts peoples freedoms, the principle of 'extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' should absolutely apply. In the case of the passes, zero evidence was provided for their usefulness at the beginning and zero evidence has been forthcoming since to show their effectiveness. This has been the case with most of the restrictions to be honest, but the passes are perhaps the most glaringly, unscientific and stupid of them all. You don't have to be a tinfoil hat wearing Alex Jones fan to see this.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Jesus..just thinking about the comments out of Macron there..

    Like, how does he think it's acceptable to say stuff like that?..He knows a portion of the population have turned against another section..

    It's actually frightening..



  • Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭choronzonix


    It's disgusting and dehumanising really. It's somewhat reminiscent of some of the language that the far right used to come out with against Muslims during the 'war on terror' years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's been said before. Pompidou apparently said it more than once and there was a typical Gallic shrug to it. If it posed any risk to his reelection he'd hold his tongue. It is a fairly absurd situation that countries are pushing so hard on vaccination and boosters because of a reduction of efficacy in the vaccines they are trying to make people take again! Bring on the antivirals!

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  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink



    If he gets voted back in, the covid passes are going no where, especially with Germany eyeballing mandatory vaccinations (I think Italy is also on that road as well?), and don't forget the Swiss voted to keep their passes.

    The passes are simply a tool to keep "pissing us off" and hassling us" so that we keep getting vaccinated and therefore being allowed to have access to a less restricted life. There is more to this than public health and crumbling hospitals.

    Liberty, Equality, Fraternity my hole.......



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I got into a Back and forth yesterday over a Tennis Player getting special treatment to compete in the Australian Open, my stance was entirely based on the wink and nod treatment he got, the Shenanigans around letting him circumvent rules and NOT as some tried to twist, his vacination status.

    I've long been appalled at the shocking treatment of those unvaccinated and indeed the continuing blame game that's apportioned to them. I've long stated there are large numbers who can not be vaccinated. I've not denied there is a high percentage of those hospitalised unvaccinated but instead of trying to understand why, they are treated like Paraiahs, almost sub human, its frankly disgusting.

    This latest Surge was not caused by the unvaccinated and its perhaps Ironic, the likes of Macron and other leaders making all sorts of treats when they refuse to support Vacination of poorer countries, where infact its likely Variants will develop.

    It's abundantly clear our own vaccination levels extraordinaryly high with a Tiny percentage of unvaccinated remaining and yet we seem no nearer to a way forward than we were a year ago.

    This Pandemic has been a Blame game from start to finish, anything to deflect from quite astonishing miss management by numerous governments world wide.

    In essence we're going around in circles.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,302 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    I don't think the French will stand for it.

    They're very unlike the cowardly Irish and are actually willing to fight for their freedoms.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Ciara Kelly had a good rant there a few minutes ago on Newstalk asking if we shouldn't be considering less restrictions at this stage given ICU numbers are stable and predominantly Delta whereas we've seen since December that Omicron is milder and not resulting in a surge in ICU admissions.

    Shane of course taking the contrarian position of waiting a few more weeks to see if that continues to be the case.

    I know it's a staged argument to drive texts to the station at 30c a pop, but his position is exactly the same hyper-cautious nonsense that will have this dragging on for months yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    French PM against compulsory COVID vaccinations. Elsewhere he also said they are ready to deliver a 4th dose when health authorities approve.





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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's all a bit pointless seeing as what we have is staying until the end of of January anyway. The promised reviews during the month are very unlikely to happen.



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