Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

Yes largest population and most affluent so that is the Tesla market along with other affluent areas (more and more of these now)

Also the population of Louth is just over 2% of the population of Ireland and 8 telsa's represents 1% of registrations so not too far off

I think you made my point for me there'll be a demand because their not servicing the market.

2nd highest registered car in UK and 39th in Ireland in 2021.

Its good for people who have a Tesla so they have teslas tinted glasses on (obviously white).

But think of it this way if they sell as low niche number of cars how much will the to invest in charging infrastructure and be likely to open it t ok other EVs.

The flip side of course is that if they sell in niche numbers, you could easily buy the absolute entry level €49k M3 this year and sell it 3 years time with less than €10k depreciation. The upgraded m3 is now a great great buy - but again, it’s €50k, so the volume just won’t be there.

The only market we should care about is Ireland - and you’re right that it’s under serviced by Tesla, but the other guys are throwing out EV’s by the dozen now, so any semblance that Tesla were early to our market is gone, and range anxiety isn’t nearly the issue people thought it would be, so the Tesla marketshare will always be v low here.

tesla require that ‘hype’, and the hype right now is on other EVs - and Tesla will be relying on the 3 for Irish sales for literally years to come - meanwhile lots of cool cars we don’t even know about yet will be hyped, announced, built and delivered - and Tesla will still be touting the M3.

so if you’re wondering if the M3 is going to get more updates than windows Vista over the coming years, the answer is a big big yes

Your missing my point I'm not slagging off the car it's fabulous, I've spent 6 months trying to get one.

The point is Tesla are not servicing the demand in the Irish market compared to other markets.

And in this we need to look at the UK as ok only RHD markets (bar Malta in Europe I think).

Do not think Tesla will have the advantage going forward nearly all cars coming in 2022 from other OEM's will have SOTA updates.

Mercedes have beaten them to L3 autonomous driving, also the Chinese are coming.

Also remember the M3 is a mass market car in Tesla's business plan. Model S, roadster etc. are supposed to be the niche cars.

Again proof they don't service the Irish market. Tesla don't offer leasing in their site in the UK you need to go through a 3rd party company which you can do here also.

Yes you could have a Tesla but not what you ordered. Maybe a LR or performance (through inventory) not a sniff of an SR and they seem to be adopting Ford model T sales pitch

You can have any colour you want as long as Its black (white in Tesla's case).

Irish market which is strong is an after thought.

They have a pcp deal coming you can email them to get quotes at the moment. Now it's crap with a comically low GFMV which makes it pointless and the APR is higher than the HP. But it will exist. The GFMV on your 50K car after 3 years is 8.5K. I'm not sure what their finance partner thinks they are doing with that.

I agree that the lack of service centers puts off buyers from outside Dublin, rumors of one in Cork at some point, they have that pop up store there.

On the if you wanted a Tesla in 2021 you could get one though, disagree, I still don't have one after 3+ months and know of good few others on various forums and groups with older orders than that which also got pushed to this year. It's probably going to be at least 5 months to get it from time of ordering or potentially more but lets stay positive. Those orders are probably all standard RWD orders, the LR is easier to get as there is less demand as not qualifying for the grant makes it 30% more expensive than the standard. Hard to justify 15K for a 90km theoretical range increase, an extra motor and a few extra lights and speakers.

The fact is that Tesla can sell any cars they produce globally so a niche market like Ireland does not interest them (yet), but once the giga Berlin comes online this most likely will change. The lack of realistic PCP also shows that they don't want to become a volume player here. Once the European production has ramped up they could actually launch a RWD Model Y at €50k which would surely attract multiples of interest over the €70k AWD model. This pricing would be in the sweet spot in Irish market.

Tesla are a very half hearted operation in Ireland. Until they release some cheaper models and better financing options the situation remains. For proper market share they will also need a model competing in ID.3/LEAF price segment but that won't happen for a few more years yet. But I'm actually quite hopeful that a 50k€ Model Y will happen towards the end of the 2022.

VW does make it easier to buy cars and also they actually need to sell a decent number of EVs for emissions reasons in EU. For them the EVs are also very profitable especially the higher spec models so it's a doubly good reason for VW to be selling them in numbers. Gotta keep the dealers busy.

The fact is that Tesla can sell any cars it can build for time being so they are not even trying to make it easy nor affordable. I love the fact that there are no mandatory yearly dealer service visits required. Hopefully this will continue in the future also. Eventually Tesla will need to up the game, and that time will happen once their two new factories are fully running sometime in 2022.

The big picture for Tesla will be their self projected 10M annual sales in 2030. It's sounds very ambitious I admit, but what do it know, apart from the fact that I really like our Model 3 and it would be quite hard to buy some other make of car: This is after experiencing the 99% dealer free experience, the painless charging networks and well planned software updates and other design aspects of Tesla.

Tesla have always been different in their sales platform is purely online. They don't have a dealer network but instead operate an agency model.

I've always been of the view that Tesla is a niche manufacturer purely because they do things their own way. They will never be able to compete on volumes compared to other manufacturers (at least in the medium term), but they will always be at the cutting edge.

Joe Public can have his Brand X EV. This is why I bought a Tesla:

I suspect that above is a reference to fanboyism which is not common amongst Corolla customers? How Tesla plans to become a true volume player, who knows. So far they have tended to do things differently and I hope this will continue in the future also.

In the several past years they have had it easy: Tesla have had no need for a large number of niche models to cater for all of the main market segment, while being able to sell all of the cars they can produce without any marketing or giving discounts. They have actually been able to drive up the unit price while selling ever increasing numbers of their very profitable "volume" models. And have been able to pretty much abandon their S/X line of more expensive cars that are expensive to build. Not to mention the Roadster. The Model 3 was supposed to be cheap to build car for mass market but due to high demand there has been a push to "premium" it. Hence it has become a very profitable car to build. With the current LFP chemistry the RWD has to be one of the best earners in the history of car making. But as it is so carefully designed car both feature-wise and in practise, Tesla totally gets away with it. And the current examples are also pretty much faultless build-wise also. It's a great credit for them: For example the lack of buttons and carefully selected hardware is pure genius from the manufacturers point of view: Allows you to totally change the operation of the car with just software.

At some stage in the near future they'll need to start to actually sell the cars as opposed to drip feed them in the markets. And for that the products will actually need to be much less profitable. And also Tesla will need to battle with the other volume makers like Toyota. Will this lead to expanding number of models required? I still don't understand why Model 3 was designed as a saloon which is the worst form factor for a family car. That small boot opening is a real pain in the neck. They'll need to produce a hatchback of some sort soon for the European market.

It remains to be seen how Tesla will engineer the growth from 1->X Million vehicles sold per annum.