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  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    You claimed that the IDF only sustained maybe 10 hits on their tanks and that these tanks were all back in service in a week or two. That equates to them not having lost any tanks. That is what you said of the 2006 Lebanon War. If you deny having said this then you are just bald-face lying.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    What are you spoofing about Israel in a Russia thread ......

    You can try changing the subject or derailing it won't change a thing ....

    What's with these threads attracting useful idiots???



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Yeah and remember the pictures of columns of Russian tanks streaming into Ukraine. Except the pictures were from years previously in a completely different country. And remember the pictures of gas cannisters lying on beds in Syria having apparently crashed through the roof. Pictures that turned out to be complete fakes. Still suckers like you will always fall for these propaganda tricks and will flatly refuse to admit to being fooled. Even when pictures and events are proven to be fabrications people like you go quiet for a brief period of time and then come back and repeat the bullsh1t. It's as if your brain just can't admit that you were suckered.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    You forgot the cia rocket pack man



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    It appears your worldview is a lot more juvenile and blinkered than even the "USA bad, Russia good" claptrap that you are trying to paint others with. You can't think for yourself so you blindly stick to what is spoonfed to you in western media circles. It doesn't even occur to you to question any of it. And when anybody challenges you, you can't engage in intelligent discourse but rather you make adolescent little quips about them being paid disseminators. A real sign of petty tantrums and a complete lack of understanding of anything that you are talking about.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Have been reading and listening to a lot on this situation over the last few days. Hard to get a handle on what is going on exactly. Lots of different angles are being put forward and reported on.

    Seems fairly certain though that Russia (and probably China) aren't going to let this get out of hand. Its too strategic an area.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There is a lot of Bitcoin investment in Kazakhstan ,not investment more Bitcoin mining operations on a large scale , there could well be other players getting involved too, expect Russia to say they are going into fight terrorists ,or in other words ordinary people maybe looking for Democratic change in a autocratic leadership



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, I read about the bitcoin mining. Not something that springs to mind initially for most people, came as a surprise to me. It could well influence the decisions being taking by all involved.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    I'm not spoofing about anything. You were the one who told complete lies about the IDF. I'm merely pointing out your lies. In fact you are even lying about your lies. And to cap it all you then accuse people of derailing a thread by exposing your lies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Lol no Russian tanks in Ukraine 🙈🙈🙈.

    But yeah derailing the thread



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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yeah it seems that a lot of the companies involved fled a crack down in china too



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭Polar101


    No, they're not peaceful protests. But the government is calling them terrorists and calling help from CSTO, even though it looks like they're facing a disorganised angry mob (with guns). That's some heavy use of the panic button by a weak government.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    So the pictures of Russian tanks in South Ossetia were published and used to try to mug people off that they were actually in Ukraine and you fell for it. Congratulations.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    No .

    🤦


    Another day another deflection , and another derailing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Why is the pathetic "whataboutery" buzzword always trotted out when hypocrisy and double-standards are laid bare. Do you think it helps your argument? If you are so cock-a-hoop about Russia influencing its neighbours yet don't say a word about America conducting pogroms in Central and South America, that's not "whataboutery" it's hypocrisy. And when this is tabled the weasel-worded retort is "well America isn't perfect. It has its issues."

    Either rail against ALL colonialism/imperialism/oppression/subterfuge/crimes against humanity/corruption/illegal wars/murder/ethnic cleansing/etc. or rail against none of it.

    Don't cry foul about Russian planes flying close to the UK but in international airspace which they are perfectly allowed to do but screech that it's a dastardly provocation yet give a pass to Brit and US warships sailing directly at Chinese vessels in the Straits of Taiwan. The examples are myriad.

    That's not your crappy whataboutery, it's HYPOCRISY.

    You see when the US or the Brits or the French invade places like Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia and kill millions in order to appropriate their resources and make dynastic riches for themselves, they tell suckers like you that it's to "help" these people or to spread democracy. They spin you yarns about WMD's that could wipe you out or babies being thrown out of incubators or soldiers being given Viagra so they are well-hard for their rape rampages or that the country is so fcuked that the people have to eat flamingoes. And you swallow this crap, hook, line and sinker. Millions dead over lies that you don't have the nuts to acknowledge. Yet When outside forces like ISIS or western funded Neo Nazis are unleashed to destabilise places like Syria or Ukraine and someone does something to resist. then you call it "aggressive expansionism".

    Are you really that foolish?



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Is that you egg ???

    "When outside forces like ISIS or western funded Neo Nazis are unleashed to destabilise places like Syria or Ukraine"...

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    Forgot about flat earth too



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    No, the Earth is very round. In fact I've been around it. What was it that Ferdinand Magellan said?

    "The Church tells me that the Earth is flat. But I've seen the shadow of the Earth on the Moon and I trust the shadow more than I trust the Church".

    And you know, Gatling tells me that the IDF didn't lose any tanks in Lebanon in 2006 but a senior Israeli commander who was in the battle testified that nearly 50 were obliterated and their crews killed. I trust the commander more than I trust Gatling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    There you go. "Russian tanks in Ukraine in 2014". Except this picture is of Russian tanks in South Ossetia in 2008. Sorry that you are such a sucker but some men one just can't reach.

    Now are you going to continue to use this pic as proof of Russian tanks in Ukraine in 2014? Or are you going to grow a pair and admit that you were fooled? I would. I've been wrong before and I'll be wrong again. And when proven wrong I've had the spine to say "Fcuk, I was wrong!"

    Something tells me that you can't summon that simple quality.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    You made that claim and only you .........


    Didn't think this one through at all 🤣


    Piss poor attempt at deflection



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The presence of post-Soviet Russian tanks (i.e tanks that were never purchased or developed under licence by Ukrainian armed forces) in Ukraine during the conflict is well established and beyond dispute.

    This leaves us with two scenarios:

    1. The Russian army was handing over high-value military hardware such as tanks to defecting Russian sympathetic secessionists previously in the Ukrainian army (possible but unlikely)

    2. Russian tank divisions were active in Ukraine from 2014 onwards (more likely given the preponderance of evidence that many thousands of Russian servicemen were active in the Donbas)




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  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,577 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    So here we are in January 2022 and the much wailed about Russian invasion of Ukraine has not happened. Same as it was in April 2021 when there was similar wailing about a Russian invasion then. Which did not happen. Hopefully, when the next "Russia to invade Ukraine" stories are trumpeted by the media people might start being savvy enough to stand back and wonder who is pushing this story, and what do they hope to gain from it? More money from arms sales to Ukraine? Preventing the opening of NS2?

    People might also begin to wonder what is gained by pretending that Ukraine's borders are a vital strategic interest for ordinary people in the US, the UK, France or Germany? Ukraine is clearly ethnically divided between a Ukrainian speaking west and a Russian speaking east who see their futures in the west and the east respectively. If survival of Ukraine's borders as they were in 2013 was truly a strategic interest of the EU/NATO, then surely they would have been more cautious than encouraging a make or break decision between the west (EU/NATO) and the east (Russia). Instead they were hugely reckless. So it clearly was not then, and it is not now. The Ukrainian conflict is best understood as an ethnic civil war, beginning with the violent overthrow of a democratically elected government that drew its support from the east. In the absence of massive repression or near total autonomy, multicultural states break down. Always have, always will. Civil wars of course draw in foreign backers so it is no surprise Russia is backing the Russian speaking east in that conflict. The only question is if EU/NATO is best served by getting dragged into the next great war sparked by ethnic conflict in some far-off country. With nuclear weapons this time.

    Russia views Ukraine as a vital strategic interest. It absolutely requires a friendly, or at least neutral Ukrainian government. Any sane person in the US, UK, France or Germany does not view Ukraine as a vital strategic interest. Because it is not. Pretending otherwise only invites disaster for the countries involved. For all the advice and declarations of support from EU/NATO, the situation of the Ukraine in 2022 is markedly worse than it was in 2013. Russia is not an "evil empire", but it is a regional power and it is deadly serious about what it considers to be it's strategic interests rightly or wrongly. People need to grow up and recognise that consequences don't flow only one direction. The Ukrainians need to realise that they need to account for Russia when making policy. This is not as outrageous as it sounds: An independent Ireland still had to account for the UK after 1922, and the Irish currency was tied to decisions made in the Bank of England right up until the introduction of the Euro. Even today, the Irish government must defer to the EU. This is the reality of realpolitik.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    The 100,000 troops the Russians deployed on the border did a pretty good job of pushing the story all by themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,577 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Well, at least you've progressed to acknowledging you were wrong. But I'd point out there is no evidence there ever was 100,000 Russian troops positioned to invade Ukraine.

    Russian troops in Russia is just a normal day.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I have absolutely no idea what you are on about with your first point. I have neither acknowledged anything nor posted much in the thread.

    A massive internal deployment of troops to a border is not just "Russian troops in Russia".



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,577 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Firstly, there is no evidence of a 'massive internal deployment of troops'. Even if there was, it is just Russian troops in Russia which they are perfectly entitled to do. They always denied there was any intention to invade Ukraine, and a month later it seems they were telling the truth. It's been very common practise for Russia to assemble large numbers of troops for exercises and simply to demonstrate that they can for the purposes of deterrence.



  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users Posts: 12,577 ✭✭✭✭Sand




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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,657 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Of course they are perfectly entitled to do it.

    And Ukraine is perfectly entitled to join Nato and allow US nuclear warheads be stationed on their border. But all of these things have external repercussions.



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