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Djokovic

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Doesn’t seem very anti-vax to me. Just someone taking a more holistic approach.


    The Serbian star, 34, has not officially disclosed his Covid-19 vaccination status, but he's made his resistance to jabs clear in the past.

    In April 2020, well before Covid vaccines were available, Djokovic said he was "opposed to vaccination".

    He later clarified his position by adding that he was "no expert" and would keep an "open mind" but wanted to have "an option to choose what's best for my body."

    During a Facebook live, he explained that he "wouldn't want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine" to travel or compete in tournaments. 

    He added that he was "curious about wellbeing and how we can empower our metabolism to be in the best shape to defend against imposters like Covid-19."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    They should change their minds then, since its obviously not satisfactory to be separated from your relatives or else why the outpouring of bitterness?

    In the Northern Territory people are put into quarantine camps. Who wants to be forcibly put into a camp? A minor flu-like illness can't justify it, even if polls say that people ratify it.

    OTOH if they're going to hold a tennis tournament they should make it easy for people to play. Its seems to me they're having it both ways - holding a tennis tournament in the middle of an 'emergency' but making up for it by tying the players (not just Djockovic) up in red tape, with multiple competing bureaucracies on a different page from one another.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    It's a golden opportunity for some of those people to take to moral high ground and use punitive measures against people they despise for not sharing their lazy outlook on life.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    That’s his personal opinion. He’s not arguing against vaccination for the masses. He just believes in my body, my choice. Remember we celebrated this a few years back.



  • Posts: 8,647 [Deleted User]


    So his personal opinion is that he is anti-vaccination? Just to clarify?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    “Personally, I am opposed to vaccination, and I wouldn’t want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine in order to be able to travel,” he said. “But if it becomes compulsory, what will happen? I will have to make a decision. I have my own thoughts about the matter, and whether those thoughts will change at some point, I don’t know.”

    Thats the full quote so without knowing what the question was then its not that clear cut. In that quote he says he's opposed to vaccines but would possibly be open to getting one if it was necessary.

    He will be pretty pissed off if he is forced to miss this tournament. Its his chance to get ahead of Federer and Nadal.

    If he wasn't granted the exemption he would probably have traveled a few weeks ago and done the quarantine (and i say that as he travelled and did the quarantine last year). Now due to this mess caused entirely outside his control he could miss the tournament.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,538 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    He's not being "held hostage". The Austrailan Prime Minister said today that he is free to leave Australia any time he likes. Now to understand what kind of person they are dealing with he has said that he believes that certain pars of the body "heal" at different times during sleep, so its lungs from midnight to 2.00am.....intestines from 2.00am to 4.00am and so on. He also believes that if you fill two glasses with water and you talk nicely to one and give dogs abuse to the other the one you abuse will turn a manky green colour and smell badly. Shades of Trump "The Chump" and injecting bleach here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    No one is holding a gun to any players head saying they have to go through all the red tape and go to Australia.

    His body his choice. Well guess what it's Australia's border Australia's choice.

    Why is it ok for you and Novac to force your beliefs on an independent country



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,322 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    He doesn't seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer when it comes to other areas as well.

    In his book Serve to Win, Djokovic described how in 2010 he met with a nutritionist who asked him to hold a piece of bread in his left hand while he pressed down on his right arm. Djokovic claims he was much weaker while holding the bread, and cited this as evidence of gluten intolerance.

    And during an Instagram live, he claimed that positive thought could "cleanse" polluted water, adding that "scientists have proven that molecules in water react to our emotions."

    His wife also posted some 5g covid nonsense as well.


    It's his decision not to take the vaccine, but he has a platform and a track record of talking nonsense. The fact Serbia is less that half fully vaccinated he should use that platform more wisely imo


    I preferred Nadals comments

    "The only thing that I can say is I believe in what the people who know about medicine say, and if the people say that we need to get vaccinated, we need to get the vaccine. That’s my point of view,”

    He also pointed out that Djokovic and his team likely knew the conditions of entry months ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "Personally, I am opposed to vaccination, and I wouldn’t want to be forced by someone to take a vaccine" - Some unvaccinated pro-tennis player who is mired in a vaccine exemption controversy

    Why would people perceive him as being against vaccines is beyond me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    He is being told by grade A qualified professional scientists what he should put in his body for the good of those around him.

    They are not forcing him or saying he has to but just saying as people who have more knowledge on the subject than him that it is the best option



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    "How dare they have their own opinions that don't mirror mine"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Speaking of ignorance:

    "The Victorian Health Department and a Tennis Australia expert panel granted exemptions to the trio because the panels believed a prior infection warranted an exemption.

    However, the federal government informed Tennis Australia in November it would not allow international arrivals to bypass vaccine requirements on this basis." https://www.smh.com.au/sport/czech-tennis-player-renata-vor-ov-detained-by-australian-border-force-20220107-p59mq2.html



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    He clarified his comments. He has his MMR, Polio vaccines etc. So I don’t think he’s anti vax. He’s just worried about the effects of this one.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭DarkJager21


    Covid doesn’t care about your money or who you are. If you were in that position, would 1 minute in a vaccination booth cause you that much concern compared to what a bad dose and subsequent long covid would do to your career?


    Vaccines aren’t a magic bullet but they are the best tool we have in the arsenal against this thing for now and they work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    'Rules is rules'

    Yes an independent country has the right to hold a tennis tournament in the middle of an emergency and make it difficult for some players to play by tying them up in red tape. I'm not ultimately disputing their authority to do that....but is it wise? Its turned into a farce and I stand by my opinion they should've just made it easy for the players to get in.

    Australia's zero covid dream is in tatters and Omicron rips through populations with or without this magic vaccine. Apart from 'We make the rules' bluster what has been gained here? Nothing that I can see. They've succeeding in showing a Serbian tennis player 'who is in charge'. Yipee, job done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,322 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    In April 2020, well before Covid vaccines were available, Djokovic said he was "opposed to vaccination".

    Seems pretty clear alright.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Novak didn’t force anything. He jumped through every hoop, including 2 independent Australian medical boards. He was then granted a visa.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    But is it wise ?

    Well it's more fkin wise than all the conspiracy nonsense I keep hearing about vaccines.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Lol

    You said yourself people are not happy about being separated from their relatives, so I'm saying they should drop their support for this state of affairs.

    Also I'm saying that people should drop their support for forcibly sending people to camps. So are you pro-detainment camp yourself then? Or you just think its a popular policy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Selective quoting now 🤣🤣 The full quote is provided a few above and deals with what you claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Ah there it is. "My body, my choice to increase the risk of transmission to others."

    Unvaccinated are more likely to catch it, more likely to hold the viral load for longer, hence transmit it, and of course they take up more hospital beds and ICU's than vaccinated proportionally.



  • Registered Users Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Stewball




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    How is that his fault? Are all tennis players cc’ed into every communication between governments and the tennis associations??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,122 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya and then they took it off him because he couldn't prove his medical exemption.

    You should watch that Aussie border show. People get turned round all the time after getting a visa. I lived in Canada and despite being granted a visa I still had to sit with a lad and prove loads of stuff I already proved online and answer loads of questions and agree to stuff I already answered.

    Their border their choice



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    you left out his second sentence. A complete error on your part I’m sure.


    “But if it becomes compulsory, what will happen? I will have to make a decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I'm not happy about the measures, but I understand them. We don't want to wear masks everywhere, or have lockdowns, but the majority of people understand why we have them. Aussies have shown in polls they support these measures. If you have some other opinion, okay.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Another who left out his second sentence. Easily done


    “But if it becomes compulsory, what will happen? I will have to make a decision.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Or he could have just stayed home instead of pissing about without a vaccine.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    According to you, he has his MMR and Polio vaccines so he's not anti-vax, just curious, what age was he when he got those vaccines?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    He has stated that if vaccines were mandatory to play that he'd have a choice to make. That seems to indicate that he isn't completely against them.

    However in this case there was an alternative that he used, was granted a visa on that basis and the rules were then changed on him when it was too late for him to do anything.



  • Posts: 5,869 [Deleted User]


    Djokovic: "I'm opposed to vaccinations"

    Fandymo: "Well, lads, I'm not convinced, I don't think he's anti-vax"


    Have you lost your fcuking mind?



  • Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭moonage


    It seems that, in many cases, the more one is educated the less critical thinking one is capable of and the more brainwashed one can become. Some of the most stupid people I know have been the most educated.

    For example, compare a group of PhDs and a group of tradesmen. The PhDs are the ones most likely to be going along with the narrative and swallowing everything they're being told. It's the tradesmen who sense that something fishy is going on and question things more. The PhDs might have more education but the tradesmen tend to have more common sense.



  • Posts: 18,962 [Deleted User]


    The Aussies booting out the other players who had also been granted exemptions and visas, after some of them had already been let into Australia, some of them actually already playing in tournaments already! is simply an after-the-fact "clean-up" exercise to present some illusion of retrospective consistency and signals the fact that the appeals hearing that will take place on Monday is a mere formality.

    Djokovic is going to be nowhere an Australian Open tennis court by the time the opening round kicks off.

    The Australian officials on all levels come out of this looking like muppets.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2022/jan/07/czech-doubles-specialist-voracova-joins-djokovic-in-detention-amid-vaccine-row-tennis-australian-open



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    To be honest the whole Australian/Victorian governments thing doesn’t matter. If he can’t fill in a few forms before going to Australia that’s on him, and at this stage of the game he should have had the vaccine long ago. No sympathy, he can’t have it his way all the time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    But he did fill the forms, and got his visa.

    Currently you can get into Australia without been vaccinated. Djokovic followed that route, was granted the visa and then had the rules changed on him. If Australia want vaccination to be mandatory for getting into the country then they should have done that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    This is complete nonsense. The kind of talk thick people console themselves with because they couldn’t get a degree, or weren’t cut out for higher education.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,519 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    What you're forgetting is the majority of the guy's peers don't believe the bullshit he does and rely on the guidance of professionals. His opinion doesn't invalidate the views of the majority of his peers who rely on these scientific and medical experts, many of whom sit behind a desk. He's A grade peak performance in spite of the pseudoscience, not because of it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,322 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    The rules were not changed on him.

    Himself/his team had months to make sure he could gain entry, they clearly didn't ensure all ok.

    On Wednesday, Australian Border Force (ABF) officials said the 34-year-old player had "failed to provide appropriate evidence" at Melbourne Airport.

    Tough. He isn't a "prisoner" despite the claims from his team...he can leave anytime he wants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    It's his fault because he doesn't want to get vaccinated, but still wants to earn millions in prize money where being vaccinated is a job requirement.

    Tennis Australia clearly have been trying to pull a fast one, as have the Victorian government, but that is an irrelevent distraction from the core problem - Djokovic is an entitled brat who wants the moola that comes with being vaccinated, while not wanting to be vaccinated. I fully support his entitlement to free will and decision as to whether he wants to be vaccinated, or not. But I don't support him wanting his cake and eating it too.

    Don't want the money, fine, don't get vaccinated, but if you do want the money, well then, there's an easy solution that doesn't involve trying to BS your way around rules and requirements.

    Post edited by cnocbui on


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    He didn’t say that though. He said he was opposed to the Covid one, and qualified this with the statement that if it became compulsory he’d have a decision to make. Just because certain posters only posted half a quote it doesn’t make it gospel.



  • Posts: 5,869 [Deleted User]


    1. I will not. Because that's not what I said. I never claimed Omicron affected anybody more harshly than previous variants, you're either unable to comprehend what I said or else you're deliberately misinterpreting my words to mean something they do not. Given your history on this thread recently, my money is on the latter.
    2. What I DID say is that Omicron is ripping through the unvaxxed and affecting them MORE HARSHLY THAN THE FULLY VAXXED? DO you see the difference? Would you like me to dumb it down a little further so you can understand it even better, or are we good?
    3. I've no fcuking clue what a wuhau is, are you trying to claim that is a variant of C-19?

    Your original point said the following......

    "then omicron came along and spread like wild fire through the double japped & boostered."

    First off, its's "jabbed" not "japped". For someone with such strong opinions, you'd think you'd know what you were talking about. To the uninformed, this statement implies that omicron is not spreading like wildfire through those who have not been vaccinated at all.

    This is a lie.

    I corrected that lie and said that Omicron affects the unvaxxed more harshly. You took that to mean that it affects them more harshly than the previous variants, or that's the impression you're giving at least.

    This is also a lie.

    I am now correcting that lie, and restating the point: "Omicron affects the unvaxxed more harshly than it affects the vaxxed". If you want proof, just look at hospital/ICU numbers and see how they are over-represented, per capita, by a factor of 9:1.

    If you need any further help trying to digest this info, please ask away.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    There is no mandatory vaccination status in Australia, so it is not a “job requirement”. Stop pulling “facts” out of your arse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 855 ✭✭✭moonage


    So what if he is opposed to vaccination. He's entitled to that view.

    It's not a crime (yet).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    I know one Phd who isn't a fan of the vaccine, so it's a generalisation at best but I beleive your theory is wrong. Asserting that people with Phd's don't engage in critical thinking is ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    A Visa doesn't guarantee entry. You need to also comply with entry requirements.


    A visa does not guarantee entry, that decision remains the right of the immigration officials of the country concerned.

    - Australia Department of Foreign Affairs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,111 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    The requirement is that governing entry to the country without quarantine - as entering Australia is part of the job, it's ipso facto a job requirement.



  • Posts: 5,869 [Deleted User]


    He didn't say "I'm opposed to the Covid vaccinations"

    He said "I'm opposed to vaccinations"

    You're the one who is claiming he meant something else.

    It is there, as clear as day, in black and white. You're adding your own little twist on it and trying to justify that by pointing to his comments about a choice to make. In no way does that qualify his first sentence to mean what you're saying it means.

    "I'm opposed to vaccinations.......If it becomes mandatory, then I'll have a decision to make" means, in my mind anyway, "I'm opposed to vaccinations.......if they become mandatory then I'll have to reconsider either a) which tournaments I play in or b) my opposition to vaccines". Just because he may have a future decision to make, that doesn't mean he's only opposed to the covid vaccine. You're making sh1t up to try defend your stance on this issue, when it's indefensible.

    Nice try, though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,803 ✭✭✭irelandrover


    The rules were changed if he was initially told he could get a medical exemption, and then wasn't allowed in based on that medical exemption.

    The only way it makes sense to me otherwise is if the Victorian state gave exemptions based only on what someone says, and then his actual paperwork was only checked after he arrived in Australia.

    The fact that several players have this issue now suggests to me that it isn't the players at fault, but the application process.



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