Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Well I remember seeing the stilted 'pods' of young people, not allowed even have a drink, standing socially distanced from each other. Even thinking about it gives me the cringe!

On the last point. Have a look who Ursula von der Leyen is married to. Surely susceptible to conflict of interest, no?

Who is she married to?

(No prizes for anyone saying her husband!).

Let's do a quick fire round (there would be 10x as much if all the craziness you posted was also being included ;)), but most of those were discussed long before the loons thought it was an attempt to take over the world, but anyway:

Vaccinated can spread COVID - Known about from the trials, published with the data, 95% was against severe disease, this is now 90% for Delta, Omicron TBA, effectiveness against infection was ~60% (less for AZ and Janssen), this still held up under Delta and data looks good for Omicron post booster

Vaccinated susceptible to variants - known about even when the vaccines were being developed, vaccines have stood up better than expected against variants leading to a Delta specific vaccine being dropped (for now at least), mRNA advantage was a quick turn around if variants escaped, hasn't happened yet

COVID Vaccines can cause blood clots - Most issues came about due to the mass rollout of vaccines and are extremely extremely rare and in all cases the risk from the disease itself was greater, was it a conspiracy that vaccines would have side effects when all previous vaccines also have very rare side effects?

3rd & 4th/New Shots - Annual boosters were being talked about even before the vaccines were released

Segregation of society - Vaccine\Immunity passports were being talked about weeks after the pandemic started

Camps for the unvaccinated - ??

Unvaccinated unable to work - This wasn't expected, came about due to the Delta variant and herd immunity not being reached, who's behind the conspiracy here?

Harder to access medical care for unvaccinated - Not in Ireland at the least, Singapore make the unvaccinated pay for any COVID related treatment, is any country denying treatment yet? (apart from the US, but that's mostly GOP driven and lack of public health facilities)

Secret Contracts between Governments and Pfizer - What are the details here? Anything to do with COVID vaccines? Were AZ, Novavax, Sinovac/pharm, Janssen and Moderna involved as well?

It's a fun image, but there's a lot wrong on it and still doesn't have an explanation for the conspiracy behind it, maybe you want to add something about that? Or just make a smart remake and run away like a baby chicken, thought so :)

What trials? What manufacturers published this data? You maintained the opposite stance all through 2021 on this point.

Here is the pfizer ceo claiming that their trials showed that the vaccine was 100% effective at stopping transmission. Didn't happen though and no one ever said they would stop cases 🙄

Reduction of transmission still means it can spread floorpie, as the vaccines reduced the severity of the symptoms, it followed that transmission would be reduced and it did leaving R at about 1 for Ireland with most opened up (and the high R of Omicron means more transmission still but still a reduction among the vaccinated as much as the unvaxxed won't admit that's the case using anecdotes).

You're answering a question I didn't ask.

You said it was known about from the trials that vaccinated people can spread COVID-19, and that manufacturers published this data. What trials assessed this, and what manufacturers published this data?

You should be ashamed in my opinion to post your last two posts, after your behaviour the last year in these threads. I can link to dozens or hundreds of abusive messages from you that state the exact opposite to what you're now saying.

There have been many shoddy claims arising from trials. I'm thinking particularly of the claims of 100% effectiveness against death (e.g., Fauci mentioning this: ‘No hospitalisations and no deaths’: All three US vaccines ‘highly efficacious’, Fauci says | The Independent).

The truth is that almost nobody died during trials from COVID-19, vaccinated or placebo. So placebo was also 100% effective against death.

You literally had a multi-day argument with someone last year in one of the vaccine threads, calling them all kinds of stupid and ignorant because they asserted that the reduction in transmission was caused by a reduction in symptoms.

I'm flabbergasted at astrofool's weird flip flop on several points a few posts ago, and their general lack of humility. I just had a quick scan of their reply notifications to my posts and they were calling me a charlatan antivaxxer for pointing out that trials didn't assess infection (which they're now agreeing with) just a few months ago.

What is required now is a Whistleblower,as it is very obvious that Statistics are being manipulated to maintain the Fear Factor...!

Just a thank you to you floorpie. You raised caution re certainty in vaccination preventing transmission very early on in vaccine inception, despite claims by those skimming the studies to the contrary. Prevention of serious illness due to vaccines an accepted fact.

I’m not sure how you kept your patience throughout, but fair play - and know you have educated at least one.

Hmmmm....didja see the date of that Tweet......?