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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,264 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    You'd imagine it's in relation to the ECDC and perhaps a change in offical advice from them in general for the entire bloc along the lines of the CDC.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    200 Army personnel sent to cover sick staff isn’t overwhelmed though is it.

    Overwhelmed is when they’ve more patients than beds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,014 ✭✭✭Blut2


    At no point since July, when the country re-opened, have English hospitals been at capacity (ie full). The data on this bed use is public and easily accessible. By any definition possible they haven't been overwhelmed. They've used army staff to fill 200 staff shortages, in a country of 70 million people, because excessive mandatory covid isolation has effected a tiny regional area.

    Society has been back to normal there now for almost 7 months. Full nightclubs, full stadiums, normal life. While we here in Ireland had 3 weeks of having something close to a restriction free life (but still with masks and other measures in place) in November.

    This despite the fact that England has a much worse risk profile than Ireland, as previously mentioned - more at risk minorities, an older average age, a higher obesity rate, and a lower vaccination rate.

    If we had any sort of decent media in Ireland our government would be being asked repeatedly "why are large sections of our society still locked down while England is free and hospitals are coping perfectly fine?" The evidence is overwhelmingly clear at this stage that we don't need to be locked down.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,611 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Got to get the nod from the Politburo, can't just go around doing what you want you know.

    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,345 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Same

    It's not hard to see a slow cautious staggered reopening. Would not surprise me if they wait til after Paddys Day to reopen hospitality fully, we maybe might get back to 10.30pm last orders mid February. God knows with the shower we have in Government who Will once again let NPHET decide



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,478 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    You are optimistic and yet you think there will still be restrictions in the summer. That is rather the mindset I am talking about, restrictions should be gone within weeks and yet you already know that this will continue to be dragged out, a few crumbs thrown here and there but still limits for months to come. If thats optimism I sure would hate to see the pessimistic view.

    I will hold my tongue on this part: "And in any case keep the Covid certs and linkeage to boosters as a way of selling the lifting of those restrictions."



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Imagine a group of public health experts in a union of states meeting to agree a common approach. Who would have thought a union would involve cooperation. What a ridiculous concept



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    If internal restrictions are the same across the EU it would boost tourism as people know what to expect when they're on holidays



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,110 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Are you not perhaps missing the point. Those unvaccinated are much more likely should they become infected to require hospitalisation or even ICU care.

    While getting vaccinated may be an inconvenience for some, I can see why countries that are having to deal with the inconvenience of the disproportionate numbers of their own unvaccinated putting pressure on their health systems, would not be particularly bothered about putting pressure on those unvaccinated wishing to visit to get vaccinated before doing so.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Just suppose the powers that be made a slightly bold decision: move the hospitality closing from 8pm to 10pm from mid-January. I would imagine that the increase in custom spread over a greater number of opening hours should not be a significant hazard. Some small steps might be good for morale, and could be reversed if things went badly wrong (unlikely , in my opinion)



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Well, let me just say that whatever can be seen as optimistic and pessimistic has to have a relation to a realistic framework. So, to be realistic i proposed a few likely scenarios. It is no use in talking about what should happen unless it has some influence on what might happen. I dont think posting messages on boards.ie will do that. What is more important is that enough people in government circles push back on keeping unreasonable restrictions proposed by Nphet. The government has been able to sell their message with the help of the media and a fearful, compliant public. Once that fear is diminishing my (optimistic) expectation is that the goverment will be more prone to lifting restrictions earlier. It is a balancing act but i suspect a tipping point has been reached. Now it is all about keeping enough restrictions they can get away with while lifting some other ones. I dont know if one would call them 'crumbs'. That would depend on the details. A good start would be raising the 8pm o clock closing time to 11pm for the whole hospitality sector and allow entertainment to happen. But i wouldnt get my hopes up of that happening with a 'staggered, cautious' approach and changes every 3 weeks. In that way i am pessimistic. And yes, i think mask wearing etc will still be with us in summer as will Covid certs and possibly booster QR coupling, especially when organised on an EU level.

    Do i like it...NO.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,345 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Seems to be no rush having a meeting about easing restrictions by the powers that be

    A bit laughable and it wouldn't take them that long to call a meeting to impose them

    Post edited by PTH2009 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Got my new Ausweiss today also.

    I was a two dose Moderna guinea pig,and understood I was recieving a Pfizer booster (Hi Albert 😉 )

    However browsing through todays email,I find I've recieved a shot of Spikevax,previously known as Covid-19 Vax Moderna (courtesy of Modema Biotech Spain S.L.)

    Strange thing is my Vaccinator also appeared to believe she was shooting me up with Pfizer's best....at this juncture I could'nt care less.....I'm of the belief now,that the only snake-oil around is what's being pumped into our arms.

    One big Con-Job...keep following the money !! 😀


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,268 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    If you read the accounts of women affected, it's not a non issue and it's not "brief". Many haven't had a period since last year! Women being fobbed off in medicine again, shocker. I guess we are just getting hysterical about it and should just shut up 🙄


    For example

    it's clearly affecting a lot of women and not just "briefly"



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,264 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Well why would there be a meeting now when the current restrictions are in place until the end of the month ? They've another 3 weeks to run & we all know they'll run that full course. The SI states 30th January 2022 in it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    And they're expecting more next week, but no, our restrictions which were introduced to keep cases low are working according to Micheal Martin...

    Looking at booking confirmatory PCRs and there's 0 availability any time I check, I, and many others like me are putting faith in antigen tests for the moment.

    When PCRs open up again I can see many people booking them as a way of checking if they had it this week or last so case numbers will be high for a while to come and hospital numbers should be dropping at the same time



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,168 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    They are constantly saying if new information comes out about the virus that they won't hesitate to change the restrictions before they were due to expire



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    It really is quite alarming , the lack of PCR tests , I was thinking earlier that if NPHET hadn't suddenly become so positive about antigen testing , we're in God's name would the country be given only a fraction of cases being detected via the PCR route.

    There's more and more reports on the costs of these antigen tests and I have to guess a lot of people not even doing them because of the expense.

    The dogs on the street knew a surge was coming with Omicron, obviously it's not as dangerous as Delta but that's not really the point. It's an extraordinary situation really 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 38,345 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Yep and that stance quickly sweep under the carpet when things seem positive



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    They still don't have the data in fairness I'd say they will give it to the end of next week



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,264 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Saying and doing are 2 different things. We all know nothing is changing until the end of the month probably. That's just being realistic, nothing is usually done before something expires.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,345 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Imagine the buzz if by next weekend or weekend after there is a proper reopening plan published starting the 31st Jan and maybe 'close to normal as possible' penciled in to start from Monday Feb 28th

    I won't hold my breath and the usual singles of 'needing more time for data and caution' will come to play



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,244 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I see the Dáil being closed as a positive to be honest. Less time for them to ram through some more stupid restrictions on our lives.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    I expect them to give an update late next week tbh

    All the comments by NPHET and govt this week have been positive. Even Mary Favier came out and said she has not sent a single positive person to hospital and its time to soon look at restrictions



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭bloopy


    The EU covid passes do absolutely nothing to address any of the points in your post.

    Unvaccinated can still travel.

    Neither vaccinated or unvaccinated will be guaranteed covid free.

    Spread can still happen on the plane ( ironically more likely from vaccinated passengers)

    Disease can be exported to any country in the EU.

    The passes are pointless. They only work if vaccination prevents infection and transmission. They don't.


    Also the inconvenience I referred to was the pcr test. Not the vaccination.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,345 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Yeah its a bit of a surreal feeling and its hard not to be a bit of cynical of it



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  • Registered Users Posts: 496 ✭✭The HorsesMouth




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