2022 In Between Grand Slam Thread

it's not a good thing obviously if he knew that he was infectious with Covid and was indoors at events without a mask

surely the confirmed details will come out on this.

Some will be hoping for that surely!

if it's definite he knew he was infectious when the details are confirmed it's not a good thing obviously as I said.

Nadal spread Covid to people after he came back from Abu Dhabi

Should questions be asked there / investigated about what precautions he took exactly, when he did his test, got his test result, when was he wearing his mask what were his movements at events etc - should be looked into also no?

it was more for the point of balance of viewpoints.

the point is that Nadal could and did spread Covid back in Spain when he brought it back from Abu Dhabi - should a detailed look into all his timelines also be covered by the ATP as suggested for Djokovic (once the final details on test dates etc come out)

I'm very much pro vaccines but the reality is that Omicron don't give a sh1t about vaccines in terms of spread, as evidenced in Ireland right now, as evidenced in Melbourne right now etc

of course the vaccines continue to play a vital role in reducing severity, particularly in older and at-risk people (that's why we're not locked-down now because the ICU numbers are not high due to the vaccines reducing severity and the fact that Omicron is milder)

see point above re Omicron and spread.

if only Omicron was a sentient being who could and would obey rules about spreading whether you have a vaccine or not - that would be lovely.

I've already outlined the great benefits that vaccines still have but the current vaccines don't contain the massive spread of the Omicron variant

there may be new vaccines provided at some point in the future to change this

the specific point here is not about country rules getting into Australia or whatever but what your movements and precautions should be if you've gotten Omicron and know that you're likely to be infectious, not if you've had a vaccine

I think you need to go back in thread here to see what this specific point is about

it's not about getting into Australia

it's about as one poster suggested that Djokovic be investigated by the ATP on his movements around the timing of having a positive test and where they might have gone after etc then - if another player had a positive test also what precautions and movements they took and did should also be examined around the timing of the test timeline?

Hang him now! (if PCR dates are confirmed)

He might have given that fern in the corner the fearsome Omicron.

Was Nadal keeping out of rooms with plants when he had Omicron? - must be fully and thoroughly investigated!

Here's a timeline that someone did up -

Note that apparently the PCR Test was apparently taken on December 16

It's unknown when the result was notified

It's not known if this was a routine test or one due to a close contact.

Timeline:

10 November: Tennis Australia (TA) letter to ATAGI.

18 November: National COVID Taskforce responds to 10 November TA letter.

18 November: Subclass 408 visa granted to Novak.

22 November: TA letter to National COVID Taskforce.

29 November: Greg Hunt responds to 22 November TA letter. (Separate advice was given to TA Senior Legal Council but contents and date unknown)

6 December: Date information correct as for Australian Open information sheet to players.

10 December: Deadline to review medical exemption (taken from information sheet).

16 December: Date positive PCR test was taken (not necessarily notified).

28 December: TA Biosecurity Operations Manager, Tom McDowell, resigns.

30 December: Date of medical exemption from TA.

1 January: Home Affairs Declaration Assessment form completed.

5 January: Novak arrives in Australia.

6 January: Novak's visa cancelled.

7 January: Renata Voráčová's visa cancelled.

7 January: Unnamed Tennis official's visa cancelled.

8 January: Court documents submitted.

Upcoming:

10 January: Hearing date.

10-16 January: (Edit: Regardless of decision) Everyone loses their minds.

17 January: Australian Open tournament begins.

The request to delay is not an indication that they're concerned about the validity of their case. It does two things:

1. Gives them more time to prepare their response to the documents released by Djokovic's lawyers yesterday.

2. A decision needs to be made by Tuesday if Djokovic is to have any chance of competing. Delaying to Wednesday effectively makes the appeal pointless.

The government's lawyers have now released their response, which is pretty compelling.

Furthermore,

When Renata Voracova arrived and presented her case, with the same "recent covid" reason as Djokovic, she was queried (so it was no "oversight") but a couple of phone calls later between Federal and State she was allowed in.

So it's clear that Federal were following the "let state confirm the entry" procedure that they had publicly voiced on, and let them in, as they had said.

The phone calls confirm this.

Except when it came to Djokovic....

It's also worth pointing out that another official was also let in in the same way.

So yes the "rule" about "recent covid" not being a recognised Federal-level entry reason will be something the Australians will point to, the fact is that there was an agreement on this that the State could give the go-ahead to Federal on "recent covid" being a valid reason for entry and that this was applied in the case of at least two other people.

yes this is obvious.

Djokovic is going home but at least the duplicity and ass-covering on the part of both the Australian Federal and State Governments has been exposed.