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Schools to close again.. Covid

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Wow! That is great. We had done training on OneNote but we honestly knew nothing about Teams. Myself and a colleague, who is also a friend, navigated it eventually all by ourselves and for something that I would now consider to be so easy that I can often simultaneously live stream home and teach in person, it had me in tears many an evening. Microsoft Forms almost owed me a relationship!!!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,103 ✭✭✭appledrop


    Gas alright. The glaringly obvious two things about all those pictures that teachers put up of the monitors was the fact that the temperatures were so low + they were all green.

    Teachers are not stupid, they have tired closing the windows more etc but as soon as you do bang monitors go orange or red.

    Prefabs seems to be the worse not only windows but doors have to be left open + subjects to elements because only way monitors stay green.

    Maybe Norma should spend a day in classroom perfecting the perfect temperature + colour for the monitors.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    The problem with this post is that the first paragraph is simply at odds with the situation as outlined to us which is that this should peak in a week or two. Assuming that to be the case schools should be stronger placed regarding attendance by the end of the month.

    Why do you think numbers are going to get worse as the month progresses which is the only logical corollary to what you are saying if you believe a restrictive situation would have to be further tightened?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Jesus yer on fire timmymagoo , keep going like that and with your big qualifications you'll be seconded out of the classroom into JCT in no time at all.

    2 Degrees..... AND A MASTERS folks.

    Our students will be so lucky once he starts.



  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭orecir


    Agree with sinn fein. Predicted grades should be introduced for the current 6th years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    I mean like it or not more social restrictions does indeed equal to less transmission, this isn't a zero covid concept, it's 100% science when it comes to any respiratory virus that's easily transmitted 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,759 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    So you'd be in favour of further restrictions?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,759 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    We're being told constantly that this wave of Omicron has yet to hit its peak. If we were to have closed schools at the beginning of last week we would be looking at them remaining closed for at least a month.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    He can start a new school with yer man from the last lockdown who was going to rent out the GAA hall to teach maths to his estate



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    I don't see any sense to this at all, I'm afraid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    That and cancelling the junior cert (hopefully abolishing it) are the right things to do, too much learning lost over the last 3 years. Probably be decided after Easter 🤷‍♂️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,759 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    Do you believe the decision to reopen was correct? Would you have supported a closure or staggered reopening?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Agree totally. Only thing is that SF having suggested it (Labour did so already, just that they don't spook Varadker) it will send FG and FF into survival mode. They may decide to pretend they've "shown leadership" and made the running. With the shambles that are schools this month they have no choice.

    And the JC.........yes, what is the point? They have destroyed it already anyway.

    Post edited by Rosita on


  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭timmymagoo


    Omicron is no worse then a mild cold , this is a proven fact now

    So If we all come together with a real community spirit we can see out the month

    Then back to reality



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Random sample


    I don’t mind predicted grades for students who are unavailable for exams, but it would be a nonsense to introduce them as an option again for students. Sitting the exam has to be the default option this year.

    Once further concessions are made this year, something has to be done for next years leaving certs, and on and on it will go.



  • Registered Users Posts: 345 ✭✭orecir


    I disagree. The current 6th years lost about 2 month in school tuition last year and with the current wave of omicron many will have to self-isolate. Some may even miss their mock examinations.


    Also many students will suffer from their teachers being absent due to illness. Won't be a fair playing field for students.


    I do feel that this year should be the last year for predicted grades.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Random sample


    Concessions have been made in my subject to cover the 2 months off last year.

    Predicted grades are not a level playing field either, there would be further grade inflation this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,885 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    110 % the right call to open by Foley, NPHET and co. We need to just see it out at this stage and get to a herd immunity. Hospitals arent under pressure and numbers in icu remain stable even though our case count is probably at 40k or so day.

    Omicron is extremely mild. Zero justification for shutting schools. The most vulnerable of children siffer when that happens.

    I cant figure out the logic by some stakeholders for not wanting to reopen etc. Obviously agendas at play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,391 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    If they want teachers to run assessments similar to last year, they would have to announce it earlier than Easter I reckon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,391 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    If they offer predicted grades, they'll put some spin on it saying 'given the amount of teachers that have been absent, it's not fair that your education has been interrupted, so we're going to offer predicted grades'. Nothing to do with the fact that if they had let us do online learning for two weeks to get over the hump, that the mess that is ongoing could have been avoided somewhat.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    How would predicted grades for people unavailable for the exam work? Somebody decides on the day to be "unavailable" and the teacher has to retrospectively cobble together a grade for them?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭Random sample


    Grades are prepared for all students, but can only be accessed with a confirmed positive or close contact text from the hse, rather than being the default.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,391 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    I think the most logical thing would be that predicted grades would be submitted for all students and they could only avail of the predicted grade if they produced a medical cert/ had a valid PCR test which means their period of isolation covers the exam date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,272 ✭✭✭✭km79


    A degree in Science no less.

    Why would they stop at teaching one day a week. There is a staffing crisis in hospitals as well. And GPs are under serious pressure too.

    Or is it just a case yet again that anyone thinks they can rock into a classroom unqualified and do a teachers job ?

    Not having to be Garda vetted then as well

    LOL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,866 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It could also backfire because punishing people for getting sick during a pandemic isn't a great way to build solidarity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,866 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Hospitals are on a war footing. Why don't you volunteer to assist in a Covid ward, that would be a really positive commitment to getting us through the pandemic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,866 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Try telling that to my friend in his 40s who is still unable to speak normally for anything more than a couple of minutes after his recent infection . Have you ever experienced that after a mild cold?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,411 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Oh we all know they should give ample notice, the reality with the department is they don't know their arse from their elbow and couldn't plan a piss up in a brewery so whatever "plan" happens will be a mad scramble just before it's too late.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,314 ✭✭✭Grueller


    To be fair I would say the actual dept officials probably can organise a plan,until political interference comes into play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    So the whole process is gone through in school anyway? If that happens everyone will get them. Otherwise you have a black market in close contacts in June. Going through the process anyway just invites this on.

    There are also nitty gritty things like, say, on the morning of an exam if someone realises they'll probably be a close contact of someone should they go to the exam? If someone has symptoms and hasn't had an official PCR test is the government really going to say that they must do an exam in the meantime. So many potential problems with this idea.

    Post edited by Rosita on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    The only 'plan' would be the pre-2020 default. Dept officials will not create a fresh scenario unless they have no other option.

    Post edited by Rosita on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    100% I cannot understand how anyone would want to close schools at this stage. Although infection numbers are sky high the hospitals are holding steady. Nowhere near the levels in ICU this time last year and ultimately that is the most important metric.

    We will work through the absences this month and hopefully proper exams in some form will run in June



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    I don't know why people keep saying "I don't know understand why people want schools closed at this stage". I have not seen anyone looking for that.

    Some people feel that with more courage and better judgement decided by educational arguments rather than political considerations, a delayed reopening would have been sensible and more students would have been reached. But schools have opened. Argument over. You need to move on.

    But the day the government opened schools with 40k+ cases per day in the community was also the day Accredited Grades emerged again. Probably would have happened anyway, as the Fifth Year students of last year had lost so much time already, but classrooms with so many gaps will bring reality home to even the most reality denying don't-alter-the-process or delighted-to-be-back! teachers.

    But the "keep schools open" is a very small echo chamber at this stage. Sorting out the fallout from the decision is the current challenge. ICU numbers do not fill classrooms. People quoting those are missing the point royally.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭timmymagoo


    You don't have to be an expert or scientist to understand common sense

    From the very start there should have been weekly reports showing

    1. What are ICU numbers

    2. What are deaths of people from covid ? What are total deaths?

    3. What are corresponding numbers from 2019.

    Why do you think the above format was never produced? Why is it 2020 total deaths are only 600 more of the total deaths 2019

    And 2021 when released will be right back to the average

    I find it very sad the people in charge have behaved the way they have and the media and human rights activists have sat back and said nothing

    Is there anyone with a science or maths qualification on here , if so surely you would agree with me

    If not why not and please don't say experts say so,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,811 ✭✭✭joe40


    I don't agree that a "delayed opening would have been sensible and more pupils would have been reached"

    From an educational point of view these weeks will be extremely difficult and I know just because schools are open it is not business as usual. But for me schools open is the least worst option. Closures for any length of time are harmful with very little benefit at this time.

    Problems with exams are going to be an issue anyway but purely on the issue of the next few days/weeks from an educational point of view I believe the best way to reach the most pupils is schools to be open. With school s closed, there is virtually no education at all for 1000s of kids.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,866 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Given that Covid is just a mild cold, why aren't you volunteering to help out in Covid ward in hospitals. I'm sure your multiple degrees would be of great value in there, and you've obviously nothing to fear in catching a mild cold, right? Still no explanation as to why my fit 40-something friend is unable to talk for more than a couple of minutes after his 'mild cold', no?

    And feel free to present whatever data you like. With your multiple degrees, it wouldn't take you more than a couple of minutes to pull together and present this data, surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    Like I said, schools are open. That argument is redundant now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,650 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Delta is still doing the rounds too though. Without genome sequencing, there's no guarantee your friend had Omicron.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    yes similarly no guarantee that he doesn’t - Omicron appears to be milder than delta in terms of ICU admissions doesn’t follow that everyone who ends up with omicron will have a sniffle - there’s a wide range of illness between a sniffle and hospital admission and ICU.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,866 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    It does when you have as an article of faith that there's no way anyone can get sick from Omicron. There are more hidden layers to some discussions that might appear superficially.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,650 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Not to me. Someone said Omicron was like a cold, you said your friend had more than a cold, I said there's a possibility your friend had Delta.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Predicted grades can't be announced too early, if they did so students would be doing the dog on playing the system with 100% monthly tests and parental pressure.


    For once I think the department would be best to leave the announcement till the last moment.

    ...and to those students who "need certainty" , just keep studying and learning regardless of the assessment. Learning is good for you apparently.

    I'm ploughing ahead with the course and I get the impression other teachers aren't easing up either.

    Ya I put stuff up on teams too... I beg them to contact me if they get stuck or need clarification . But the absentees don't really engage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Treppen


    This wan is a genius... and no this is not a spoof from Waterford Whispers




  • Registered Users Posts: 6 Ricardo Montalban


    "Kildare's Fianna Fail senator and former teacher Fiona O'Loughlin is currently volunteering as a substitute, she says opening windows after classes may be a better option." KFMradio.com. Not allowed to post links yet.

    It would nearly restore your faith in politicians!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Whatever happened the 1400ppm limit on the co2 sensors. Is that gone now?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6 Ricardo Montalban


    I wouldn't think Ms O'Loughlin has jurisdiction over CO2 monitors being a senator! Once it's red, all out!!



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