Djokovic

not being vaccinated during a pandemic is just plain stupid. You probably will quote me “but the risk of myocarditis is 2/100,000 with the vaccine”. Guess what, your risk of myocarditis is 80/100,000 if you get a Covid infection (a 40 fold increase in the risk for the unvaccinated). Ditto, your risk of stroke if you get Covid is way higher than the risk from the vaccine.

but that aside. This has nothing to do with vaccines. He either lied to a country and blatantly broke their laws. Or he knowingly exposed people to a virus that has killed millions, and did not give a flying **** for those people. It is grand for the likes of him if they get Covid. He will have all the best care. But the people that he spread it to will certainly not have the same care

You seem to make a lot of claims but have no way of backing them up. Vaccinated or not-vaccinated, I take a dim view of anybody who does not adhere to isolation guidelines with an acute infection.

So, the facts of the case: he applied for a medical exemption on the basis of having had C19 (PCR result published date on 16/12). He met a crowd and engaged in no social distancing/masking on the 17/12. Now, either he did not have Covid, rendering his application false OR, he either knew about his infection and mingled or there was a delay in transmitting his positive result to him. However, he mingled knowing full well that he had a PCR test for Covid in the previous days.

He was seen again in public with no mask on the 25/12. Guidelines at the time stated he should isolate for 14 days.

He did have a PCR result pending-> result published on 16/12 (whether or not he knew the result is open for the debate).

he did mix and did have a recent PCR test.

Tell me what I said that is untrue?

And you base your entire argument on suppositions. I could claim that you are libelling me, by making claims that I am committing a criminal act? No?

And don’t forget the part that he was taking the PCR tests because he was hoping for a false positive (because according to the poster, the PCRs aren’t that reliable🙄)

Just for context GrowLeaves, the current false positive rate for rtPCR is believed to be 1/1000

Cool story bro - you got his number then?

This is a place for debate or didn’t you know?

So does that you mean you don’t have his number?

Your data is out of date....are you still trying to claim vaccines May prevent infection like the early studies were showing? Why do people insist on using out of date data just to support their own agenda? I suggest you look t the data from the latest study on this published in Nature journal.

If you are male and under 40 then the risk is significantly higher for myocarditis from the vaccine (Moderna in particular) than it is from Covid and the risk goes up for every booster you get. According to that study the risk of myocarditis for men aged 16-40 is over 100/100,000 cases aka 1 in a 1000. And that is probably far higher again for under 25s. And that is just what's being reported by doctors.

I just think it's mad the way people like you won't actually read any of the details about how the trials were carried out. Unblinding participants in a supposedly double blind study, ignoring and misreporting severe adverse side effects in 1 of only 1152 children in the trial. Google Maddie De Garay and her mothers testimony about her immediate reaction to the vaccine and how it was reported as an upset stomach when she now has a feeding tube and uses a wheelchair. And if you think she and her mum are anti vaxxers then why would they have signed up to take part in one of the initial trials for a vaccine?

There is a well known cycling athlete who has had to give up his sport and has documented his after effects on his Instagram channel. Another vaccine early adopter as he wasn't an at risk patient and his doctors tried to tell him he was having a psychotic episode when he came forward with his problems. He was eventually diagnosed with myocarditis and pericarditis but it took multiple hospital visits before they would acknowledge that it was even remotely related to the vaccine.....despite his symptoms, which were almost identical to Maddie De Garays, occurring almost immediately after the 2nd dose. Both pfizer. Some people just do not want to hear of any cases of the vaccine being dangerous or having side effects. The vitriol he has faced since he came out about it is shocking. He went off social media a few months ago as he was having a breakdown from the vaccine fascists claiming he was a liar. The poor guy genuinely looked and sounded suicidal when he clearly didn't have an agenda. Even after his side effects he wasn't anti vax, he just wanted people to be aware the vaccine is not risk free. His career as a professional athlete now appears to be over.

I'm a relatively high level amateur athlete under the age of 40. I think I'd have to have been dense to expose myself to a vaccine which we can clearly see has more side effects than was initially claimed. As far as I've heard Moderna is all that's being offered as a booster so why would I want a vaccine than has a 1 in 1000 chance of giving me myocarditis amongst a whole host of other possible side effects. I've managed to not contract symptomatic covid in 2 years of a pandemic or more likely I've had it and not displayed symptoms. Not everyone is as unhealthy and careless about their health as the average boards scribe.

Where the hell re you getting that 1/1000 stat? Even the UK government Covid website says the official estimate is somewhere between 0.84 and 4.3%.

Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/falsepositivityrateofthecovid19pcrtest

A published study last year in the NCBI journal found that up to 22% of PCR tests were false positives although there are serious caveats to this study as they admit themselves. False positives are particularly likely in people who have previously been infected with covid. False negatives are also a major issue.

The microbiologists have a way of looking at the PCR and telling if it is a previous infection or current infection

Me cherry picking? That's pretty comical. You have selected the conclusion which refers to the population at large while ignoring the table showing the increased risk of myocarditis in young men under 40.

Yes, some people my age have died of Covid. Every single one of them has had severe underlying medical conditions. I know people love breaking things down simply by age as if that is some unifying metric. Only 30% of people my age in this country are normal weight, 24% are obese and 42% are overweight. Just because I'm in the same age bracket as someone doesn't mean I have anything in common with them in terms of health or fitness. I've more in common with a healthy 20 year old than an obese 35 year old and my risk profile is nothing like the obese person's.

1/3 who had Covid 19 infection had 1 symptom of Covid more than 12 weeks. 1/5 had 3 or more symptoms of Covid more than 12 weeks later.

of those people who had symptoms at 12 weeks, 1/3 of those people reported that it had a significant impact on their daily life.

long Covid is terrible!!! And it is a common risk of C19 infection

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/novak-djokovic-not-told-so-called-medical-exemption-would-be-accepted-government-court-documents-claim-12512329