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Mixed race couples on tv ads **Mod Warning in Post #556**

  • 08-01-2022 9:38pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Currently watching the Munster v Ulster match and at half time I noticed that a number of adds had mixed race couples in them. There was a BOI one followed by a Vodafone one where it was a white Irish guy with a black girl and kids. The only reason I thought it was unusual was that I don't know many mixed race couples... but maybe it's not so unusual these days?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭SamStonesArm


    Plenty of mixed race couples about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,636 ✭✭✭dotsman


    You don't know any mixed race couples???

    You must live a very sheltered life. You should get out more.

    Off the top of my head, I can think of 4 married couples (that I know well - i.e. 3 of whose weddings I would have attended) as well as numerous examples of shorter term relationships or people who I would only deem acquaintances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,535 ✭✭✭Radharc na Sleibhte


    No, not unusual



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,976 ✭✭✭enricoh


    It's more or less mandatory for advertisers nowadays!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    There is definitely an over representation of mixed race families in TV/print ads. But we had the opposite for many years previously. Its no harm if it's swinging this way now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭standardg60


    It's a very carefully orchestrated PR exercise OP, every company worth their salt wants to be seen to be racially positive, despite the actual proportion of mixed race relationships in society.

    I always chuckled at the Tesco Christmas ads, as there was 'a random black guy' seated at a table full of whites for no reason. This year's was an improvement with mixed raced kids, though i was still struggling to figure out what the relationships of the adults were.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭Markus Antonius


    I was thinking the exact same thing today!

    The Charicahuahua Tribe from the south-east could do with more representation tho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,152 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Before anyone thinks this upsets me it certainly doesn't. I just thought it was a little unusual...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,504 ✭✭✭Masala


    I have to agree with you..... I Would did say I am a very social person and can’t say I know of any mixed married couples and I am in my 50,s having travelled the country in numerous jobs

    .... and the kids definitely seemed to to be more colored than white. Sometimes I think yer man in the Vodafone ad must have married a widowed lady with two kids.


    Are these ads trying to say that I got this marriage thing wrong marrying Mary the girl next door ....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The thing that doesn't come across is that most of the whites are Poles or Lithuanians. It is the black people who are Irish.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,849 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    I'm surprised the usual suspects weren't on here saying your a middle aged angry man because you made a comment about something.

    To answer your question I probably know about two off the top off my head.



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    Only one I thought was weird was the was the three ad for Christmas with the black kids but no black adult in sight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭mary 2021




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,974 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    'On a par with the KKK' for wanting representation of the people who exist in a society.

    I imagine you spitting at the screen as you desperately look for the remote to switch back to Fox screaming about who changed the channel in the first place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,196 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I'm in favour of such ads. Black people (and other ethnic minorities) were seriously underrepresented in the Irish media and advertising until very recently. About time this was redressed, it's the right thing to do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    You can imagine me spitting at the screen and switching to some American TV station if that gets you off, but I insist you imagine me in a purple gimp suit too. That the least you can do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I just feel sorry for the poor Asians, it's like they don't exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,974 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,948 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    No such thing as mixed race.

    Are white people not human?


    I've a feeling we've been here before with that question 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I do think it's a bit **** though. We have had a higher population of Asians in particular Chinese for longer and they are seriously under represented in ads and television.

    I think the black thing is an overcorrection and while it is a bit silly it's better then no representation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They have Mixed Race in the UK.

    Mixed is an ethnicity category that has been used by the United Kingdom's Office for National Statistics since the 1991 Census. Colloquially it refers to British citizens or residents whose parents are of two or more different races or ethnic backgrounds. Mixed race people are the fastest growing ethnic group in the UK and numbered 1.25 million in the 2011 census.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭standardg60


    That's a fair point actually, representing a different race shouldn't automatically mean you have to be black.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    The Bord Gais ad at Xmas was the same. The guy, Irish, face times his family who are all gathered together for Xmas dinner while he is at work on call. Suddenly a random black kid pops onto the screen..first thing I thought was tokenism and just plain PR overly PC shyte.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,312 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Sure, Vodafone and BOI for some reason want more mixed race couples in ireland. Makes perfect sense. They definitely don't want to appeal to as many demographics as possible to sell more phones or to get as many different people to open bank accounts. No, they want to "condition" the irish public to somehow fúck up the next generation.


    Seriously, the internet has a lot to answer for. The idiot american right wing conspiracy theories that we all laughed at 10 years ago are growing here. In 10 years there'll be far right people blaming jews for the fact that they have shít job in the convention centre on the quays



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Or in other words is utilising solely black people to represent diversity not racist itself?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭Filmer Paradise


    Intresting point.

    It's really noticeable nowadays, all these black people in Irish ads.

    Not so many Asians, Chinese, Polish, Latvians etc.

    Are the blacks the darlings of the progressives nowadays.

    OMG!. The Travellers will feel neglected.

    (There's only so many bell whiffing bleeding heart types to have pity on the 'oppressed ones'.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I've noticed this myself, but I don't really care. I have mixed race cousins and nephew. It may be over exaggerated in ads etc but I am happy it's annoying the boards/journal commenters, at least there's that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    DellyBelly, you’re brave but not wrong. Observing that TV ads are not portraying recognisable day-to-day life in Ireland does not make you a bad person :-) Irish demographics are conclusive (94% white, 2% asian and 1.5% black) and so while anecdotal stories from posters are interesting, statistically they are entirely relevant. These simple numbers are why everyone is liking enricoh post. 

    Pure speculation of course, but the multinationals paying for lots of these ads are the prime beneficiaries of the flow of cheap labour* and so may want to normalise an exaggeratedly blended demographic. (* Often because western powers have been invading their poor countries with democracy.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,196 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Were there any black people in Irish made TV commercials even ten years ago? That was serious underrepresentation.

    Also, black people as a percentage of the under 30s or under 40s in Ireland (the age group most likely to feature in TV commercials) would be much higher than 2% of the population.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I really don't think it's that deep.

    It's a lazy way that companies think they can show how progressive they are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    Could be and I hope you are right. Either way I appreciate your positive spin on this :-)



  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭Fred Astaire


    Was scoring virtue points a thing by drastically overrepresenting a tiny minority of our population a thing 10 years ago?

    Again, to put this into really simple perspective - for every 100 people seen on television ads, 2 of them should be black, if we are concerned about fairness. Was that criteria met 10 years ago? Almost certainly it was.

    Again, quite odd that we don't see too many Asians, Travellers, Eastern Europeans or Wheelchair users (just under 1 percent, so almost as many wheelchair users as black people).

    Black people are the only game in town when it comes to showcasing diversity and representation. No other minority matters in modern society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear


    Frankly its a bit of a shocker to see that somehow that race matters when people are being represented on the TV. In between accusations of PC, Virtue signalling, accusations of pre conditioning...can we not accept that there are humans on TV regardless of ethnicity. Society does not function on the basis that we are one homogenous culture. Ireland has a culture comprised of Norman, Viking, Celtic, British and lately American and European influences. These have formed a confluence. Culture does not remain static yet is a constant state of flux. Throwing out the accusations of being PC and oft over simplified concepts of race mirror a population frightened at changes that happen when they dont even normally notice it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,196 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    What are the demographics for the under 30s? Many black people only moved here in the last 15-20 years or so and a large number of black people (either migrants or Irish born) you see in our communities are young people. Guess what....it's this much larger cohort of younger people from ethnic minorities who are showing up in the TV ads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I really couldn't care less about the skin colour of people in TV advertising however;

    • The motivation for utilizing non white people in television advertising in predominantly white countries is to appear to be inclusive, in turn the reasoning for appearing to be inclusive is for organizations to be able to point to their inclusive advertising as evidence of their benevolent nature in any number of potential situations that may have the potential to be damaging to their reputation.
    • The potential damage that can be caused to persons or organizations by accusations of racism in modern western society is immense. By throwing a few token faces of different colours into advertising organizations feel they are immunizing themselves against that eventuality.
    • The representation of mixed race families in advertising in Ireland isn't representative of reality, but advertising has always been about lying to suit an agenda, these days the agenda is "don't leave yourself open to accusations of racism". Advertising is just as insincere as it has always been, the focus has just changed slightly.
    • The one thing I do miss in television advertising is genuinely funny or inventive advertisements. There used to be some well thought out and funny TV ad's in days gone by. Now everyone is too afraid of causing offense and or trying to crowbar in enough diversity into their ad's, the genuine creativity seems to have been sacrificed altogether.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭Filmer Paradise


    I agree with you whole heartedly.

    Everybody should get on with everybody else all of the time.

    Life's not like that though, is it?

    Not at the best of times at least.

    The problem I have with this is the people that are driving it.

    They just ram through their opinions and their actions and fcuck anybody who disagrees with them.

    If you do, you are a Racist, a Homophobe, woman hater or whatever else label they can throw at you.

    Liberals are very tolerant people.............untill you disagree with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear


    Race really thought is a social construct at the end of it , without meaning to sound like a third year sociology student on their high horse. World does not operate on the said aforementioned basis (indeed how wonderful would it be if we did) . Pre conceived notions implied by others drive differences, albeit not as bad as Victorian times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭Filmer Paradise




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,566 ✭✭✭Need a Username


    I don’t know any mixed race couples and I’m not “sheltered” or whatever rubbish dotsman was spouting above.

    We just don’t know them because we haven’t crossed paths.

    Anyway as others have said above it is standard advertising these days. In catalogues too. Never been influenced to buy anything from these adverts the same as I’ve never been influenced by other adverts.

    Except for alcohol. Those are adverts that have tempted me though me know from experience that I don’t like booze because they used to be good and funny.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear


    Minimal Unit Pricing put it out of reach

    Seriously - racial stratification implies some sort of differences when there are none really...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,340 ✭✭✭Filmer Paradise


    Whatever you are on, you have a clear grasp of waffle.

    This country needs more people like you.....



















    to emigrate!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,426 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    The reason it was the opposite for many years previously is because we were pretty much a completely white country.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 823 ✭✭✭Liberty_Bear


    And diversity is important to harmonise relations between races. Agree with you 100% on your point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭Riddle101


    I don't really mind it. Think about it from the perspective of those who come from different ethnic backgrounds. At least they getting opportunities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,566 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    LOL

    Poster called Dellybelly complains about "mixed race" couples on TV.



  • Registered Users Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney


    Posters putting up random percentages.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I would love to know how "diverse" their marketing and advertising departments are.



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