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Mixed race couples on tv ads **Mod Warning in Post #556**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    If I was a young black lad/lady I’d definitely get into television acting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,012 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    The OP didn't say they don't know any mixed race couples. Read their post again.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,391 ✭✭✭olestoepoke


    And correct me if I'm wrong, if you look at the demographic stats of Ireland there are less black people here than Asian people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Is there an overrepresentation of mixed race couples in advertising? Yes

    Is that a symptom of the times/virtue signalling? Yes

    Is it hypocritical cos really companies/advertisiers dont give a fvck its just the done thing due to above? Yes

    It is a symptom of the times where everything is laced with 'educational' message? Yes

    Am I getting fed up with this kind of 'education'? Yes

    Is it a bad thing in this instance? No.

    What harm is it normalising something that no one should bat an eyelid over in the first place?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    From my experience in England, its, by far, mostly white women and black/ Asian/Chinese men.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭jackboy


    It’s nothing to do with that. It’s simply virtue signalling along with a fear of being called racist if they do too many white only ads. There is no conspiracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    Your experience is valuable, but likely to be far too small a sample to be instructive. The Census is where more reliable information is available, but it goes back to 2011. The next Census in the UK was March 2021, so I don't see any figures online for that.

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/marriagecohabitationandcivilpartnerships/articles/whatdoesthe2011censustellusaboutinterethnicrelationships/2014-07-03#differences-between-men-and-women-in-inter-ethnic-relationships



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,616 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Oh I know, it's based on the few ethnic people I knew. A sample size of about 10.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,454 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    This thought did occur to me - well before I saw this thread. Many of the Covid advisory ads seem to feature non whites or mixed race people prominently. Other recent ads include one where a couple are moving the man's elderly mother into their house and the "nice one" ad for bottled water where the girl misses her bus.

    I'd have no issue with this if it was happening naturally/blindly but we all know it isn't. Ad agency is engaged to produce an ad and you can be sure that virtue signalling is a priority.

    Public money is being used to produce the Covid ads. If you are a white actor are you disadvantaged and discriminated against?

    I suppose it balances out for actors given that if an ad agency needs someone to play the part of an idiot or useless gobsh*te, white males are the first port of call. E.g. the series of ads for Currys PC World with the total idiot eating frozen peas and cooking the dinner using a barbeque. Not a chance that a black man would have been hired for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,312 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Aww, you're actually the victim in all of this. You just need to find out who to blame, maybe you can have a march or something to highlight your plight



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,104 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    With attitudes like yours of course mixed race kids find life in Ireland harder.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    These adverts always feature Africans. White Irish don't seem to marry Asians or South Americans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,709 ✭✭✭Feisar


    It's just bullshit virtue signalling. Same as the big corporations and their "support" of Price week/month or a trans kid on the late Late Toy Show.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Anyone got a link to a new Irish housing development featuring blacks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,187 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,187 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    Do you think the actor that you take issue with should have not been given the role because of their colour?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭vriesmays


    Could be worse, back in the '80s these TV ads would use Twink in black face.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    I think these ads are great. Any joe or josephine soap watching them know that's not representative of Irish society and therefore mistrust of what they see on TV is increased. Question the ads? You're immediately called racist. All the ads do is serve to sour people away from the alt-left which is great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,200 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    'Virtue signalling' is missing the point that companies are mainly trying to sell a product and make a profit, not boost race relations.

    But it may well be a good strategy - research shows that younger consumers are more likely to purchase goods and services from companies with a diverse image (also from those who promote 'green' issues and sustainability).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,946 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    On the other hand, if you watch most sitcoms or movies, the black families are almost exclusively black - to the point of comedy if one brings home a white boyfriend/girlfriend (I remember it being a thing on the Fresh Prince once)

    It's amazing how these things are OK if from a certain viewpoint.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    I recently read a book on advertising, The Attention Merchants: The Epic Scramble to Get Inside Our Heads by Tim Wu. One take-away is that adverisers will use any societal trend to push their wares. Given in present day Ireland racism is the new heresy, then any criticism of such adverts can be used as evidence of wrongthink instead of what it usually is, criticism of a crappy product.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I don't know what the census tells us about the proportion of the population which is of African or Asian descent. I gather that especially on social media there are wildly exaggerated numbers being thrown about regarding the number of Blacks, Immigrants and other categories by zenpphobes and racists. My problem is that over-representation of racial and/or ethnic minorities in advertising only gives credence to the racists.

    Advertisers, please represent reality and don't pander to any pressures for the right or left. Just tell the truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Surely an advertiser’s job is to lie, to show a fantasy of what the product will provide.



  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    There’s a series of ads for Dove shower gel in the UK that show a police woman putting on her uniform and being empowered, another one shows a muslim woman. I had to laugh because it’s not even an ad, it’s just a political statement. The only way you know it’s a dove ad is because a tiny picture of the bottle comes up in the corner at the end.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    They could be South Americans. A lot more African slaves were taken to Brazil than to North America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,531 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    A better living can be made telling us how how racist we are and how awful Ireland is to live in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    No.

    More African slaves were taken to North America than Brazil.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 568 ✭✭✭72sheep


    It is always a healthy personal choice to assume less evil intentions. The motivations for doing so are many: positive universe outlook, direct experience (here to corporate ad procurement),... The outcomes here are the same though, whether intentional or not. It is jarring, as opposed to comforting, to regularly see a depiction of daily life that does not relate to your personal experience. The influence of advertising is indisputable, these ads have an effect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I am in favour of diversity in advertising. However advertisers idea of diversity is making every second character in TV ads black.

    Not travellers, obese people, Asians, Indians.

    Corporations signal their diversity by hugely over representing black people in adds.

    In my view this lets these corporations off the hook on their own diversity and further exploits black people.

    For example on the front page of the Irish Times magazine on Christmas Eve was a cartoon of people in the windows of a red brick apartment block with pedestrians walking by outside. ALL the couples were mixed race.

    So far so diverse. Great. However how many black journalists, cartoonists etc in the Irish Times are black?

    How many black people have been editors or directors of the Irish Times?

    I think you know the answer.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    How do you know they’re African? Or are you saying all black people are African?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,678 ✭✭✭jackboy


    No doubt the ads have an effect. I can’t think of a clear negative effect of this recent trend of ads though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭mary 2021


    We are already short legged enough - our average height female 5'2 average height male 5'11 it would be shorter if we maried these races anyway women prefer tall men ^& the poles & africans are taller.



  • Registered Users Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27




  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭mary 2021


    Can you imagine trying to manage a few travellers on an ad set? One of them would remember their cousin saying something in 1960 & they would be off bare knuckle fighting and battering each other also the majority of irish people dislike the traveller community so ads with travellers would bomb on them, as they are known to be always on the look out for robbing & thieving and stealing family pets. So they dont use the old ethnics as they are racist against them . The irony of it !!! also they dont have a great lobby group like the Africans do - TLM doesn't have the same ring as BLM...........



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    I wouldn’t have thought African males were, on average taller than Irish males.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭mary 2021


    Look at their basket ball players some of them are 7 ft



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,359 ✭✭✭phormium


    One that annoys me and nothing to do with race side of it but woman gets txt saying babysitter can't make it and they can't go to parents anniversary dinner or something, why the hell can't she go and leave him there minding his kids, no reason for both of them to miss it!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Apologies, I was wrong.

    Thank you for correcting.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭mary 2021


    I wouldn't want to marry a pygmie or indeed a 7footer . I married an nice old fashioned 5'11 ins traditional irish man with a few hundred years of irish heritage and white as snow, pasty, burns in the sun and gets freckles type. Thats what my father was and thats what my husband is &thats what i would like for my daughter why would any one object to me wanting that and want that reflected in advertising so my child sees it and aspires to it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,420 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    If he can trace his ancestry back a few hundred years, his line is probably nobility. He could be related to an English king (him and a few million more).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,498 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The big advantage of this casting approach is knowing how many lads on Boards.ie get irritated by it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Jesus the ignorant generalisation on you is embarrassing!!

    Black = African

    African = 7ft tall

    🤦‍♂️



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    So you want your daughter to stick to her own ‘kind’ in other words! You know it’s 2021 not 1921 right! 🤦‍♂️



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  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Yeah but as long as he’s white like! This is what Mary’s getting at.



  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Dax Inexpensive Cilantro


    The family dynamic in these ads is irrelevant.

    The whole purpose is for people to see someone like themselves being represented.

    These are 30-second adverts, not drama series with detailed backstories.



  • Posts: 7,792 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Problems with this:

    # Over representation of other races (mainly black)

    # Over representation of mixed-raced couples (almost invariably white + black)

    #Age range of some of the 'mixed race' couples involved, especially the late middle age/old age ones... fair enough if they're just an old couple, without necessarily having any kids together; yet they almost always have an extended family in the home where the ad takes place.. 'multiculturalism' isn't here long enough for there to be many black/white couples in their 60s+ , that have kids together. Yet we see the mixed race grandkids knocking about..

    #Possibly Definitely the most annoying one of all: Don't think I've ever seen an advertisement where the 'mixed race' couple are comprised of any combination of black/Asian(orientals)/Indian Subcontinent (normally referred to as 'Asians' - 'Desis' [whatever that means] probably more appropriate) ethnic/racial variants.

    On the last one, I guess they don't want to cause anyone (anyone that aint white, that is) any 'offence' ... a lot of the 'Asian' natives are inherently racist by dint of their 'culture' ie the 'Caste System'...

    One take on this - Most other cultures/races; if they do have a problem with marriage outside of their own ethnic grouping, it does seem that it's less of a one, if whitey is in the mix.



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭mary 2021


    Yes i want ceili dancing fiddle playing white grand children who embrace their irish heritage and teach their children the old irish songs and music thats all, is it too much to ask, why is it wrong its what most of your own mothers want for you but dare not say it.......in case they are vilified and attacked Asians mostly want the same for their children hence the arranged marriages which avoids these issues altogether with out comment so no one can call them racist for wanting to keep the family lines pure Asian.



  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭HalfAndHalf


    Ah so it’s not about what your daughter wants but what YOU want.

    And the old excuse for casual racism - it’s what ‘most’ other people ‘like me’ want but dare not say it!! Or……they just don’t think like yourself!

    The fact you’re championing arranged marriages to backup your views says it all! I suppose you’re alright with the associated ‘honour killings’ that go along with that way of thinking too yes?

    As I said, it’s 2021 not 1921!! Maybe just hope for your daughter being happy?



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