What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Yep there's no Irish on the social into he UK, that's for sure🙄

Why can't we compare immigrants now? Are you suggesting that only Irish people go overseas to work?

Somebody already looked into the figures. Overall there is benefit to migration here but when the figures were drilled into, western and east asian immigration was hugely beneficial. 3rd world immigration was a massive net drain on us.

Most Irish people accept that the taxes they pay will go to support the less fortunate in our society, which includes those who are unable to gain employment. The true numbers of those Irish people gaming the system remains (in spite of the wild claims on threads) relatively low, comparable with other first world nations with welfare systems. If anything, it is a failure of the State to provide useful education and employment for anyone on jobseekers for extended periods.

The point being that we expect to support other Irish people. That's a given. Ask a German, and they would expect to support other Germans. However, we don't expect to have to support Africans, or Americans coming over here.. because it would be an unreasonable expectation, unless there are agreements in place to provide similar supports in those countries. Which is why throughout Europe, EU citizens can claim welfare at the same rates of natives of that country... an exchange. It doesn't balance completely but it points towards developing the EU as a whole.

However, when it comes to Africans or Asians coming here, there are no comparable agreements for welfare. Head to most non-EU nations, and you will receive zip. Nadda, and if anything be treated worse and taxed more for being foreign.

We should continue to support the less fortunate in our own society... while aiming to minimize those who seek to game the system. At the same time, we cannot treat migrants the same as Irish people, as long as they are migrants. Once they make the commitment of being Irish, then they can be treated in the same manner, otherwise what's the point of being Irish? or an EU citizen?

actually EU nationals can be deported if they are a burden on the state. if they have sufficient prsi payments they can stay 9 months..ie the non means tested jobseekers. ITs just the Irish state never bothers.

Different times and different expectations. The Irish of the past are not the same as those migrants who have come to Ireland. They're light years different, in terms of freedoms, rights, and opportunities available to them.

The vast majority of immigrants and Asylum seekers chose to come to Ireland, bypassing/skipping other safe or prosperous nations to do so. That's an important distinction, and it's worth remembering that whenever people talk about Irish immigration to the US or whatever. The times were incredibly different, and the vast majority of the Irish who went there had no alternative choice of destination, didn't have any safety, or whatever.

As for our immigrants and asylum seekers... Given time answers will be forthcoming, and likely we'll get them from places like Denmark, Germany or Sweden. We're well behind the curve on immigration and having a substantial population living here long-term, so I doubt we'll have to face those kind of generational problems for another decade or so. Hopefully Europe will have figured it out, and given other countries permission to deal with the problems involved.