Tesla Talk

I think you'll find you'd be waiting longer for an ID4 than a Model 3

I know I had a rant on the model 3 thread about the new software update but I'm sticking to my guns. It's horrific.

All the one touch icons are now gone at the bottom of the screen and can now only be accessed via a secondary sub menu.

Rear heated seats don't switch off when your passengers leave the car (just found that out now). Mine got out and I took the key card out to open the front door, got back in and it asked for the card to drive. Checked the rear seats and they were still on... usually they turn off when you remove the card from the vehicle.

Spotify doesn't show how long is left on a song or podcast anymore, just a line moves along the screen.

The worst is the navigation. Before when you wanted to check what battery you have left at the end of the journey you just pulled down once on the directions box and it told you. Now you've to keep scrolling through all the individual directions until you reach the bottom of the box.

Whoever signed this off needs shot with a ball of their own shíte.

The only decent upgrade is the blind spot camera shows up on screen when you indicate.

Should tell them Brexit means Brexit, now put me through to someone in Ireland.

Still pīssed off that I can't see how long is left on songs etc on Spotify since this "wonderful" new software update.

You're dreaming if you think it's coming soon. Tesla make announcements every few months and to be honest nobody pays any heed to them.

There will never be FSD - ever.

Modified Tesla achieves 1200 kilometre range on one charge

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2022/0109/1272667-modified-tesla-achieves-1200-kilometre-range-on-one-charge/

Yes, I think human level driving requires general intelligence and not a finite rule set derived by neural networks. I'd put GI on the same level as humans managing interstellar travel in reasonable time frames, which there is absolutely no prospect of due to the energy issue.

I can hear the engineers at Mercedes in Germany laughing, all the way from here.

I thought Tesla were recently told by the US consumer marketing crowd that they have to rename FSD as it’s not actually ‘Full’ or ‘Self’, it’s ‘adaptive cruise with lanekeep assist’ or whatever, just like other manufacturers have, albeit a better implementation of it for sure

They will come up with a name derived from a indie/80s movie which would imply the same thing. Something like “Nobody calls me chicken” as "Warp drive" would be too easy pick.

Where - China? The ones with a person in the drivers seat?

I mean no one will do it. AI is the most ridiculous term and it should be expunged from use. It denigrates 'intelligence' and has no connection with what that actually is.

Try this 'intelligence' test next time an AI taxi, car, whatever crashes; ask it why did it crash? If you get a meaningful answer, I'll concede to it being intelligent.

These systems have a huge flaw, the black box problem. No one knows how they work. If something goes wrong with the decision making, you can't determine where the flaw is and fix a line of code or ten.

There is an astonishing case where Toyota had a problem with the logic controlling some of it's cars, which resulted in 89 deaths.

They contracted NASA to find the problem and they couldn't, despite $3 million and over 10 months. All anyone could find in the end were failures in the software writing process, but no one ever found the flaws in the code.

Neural network derived control algorithms are an order of magnitude, or several, worse than that. There is no human intelligible code to look at or trouble shoot. The black box does something complicated but precisely how it does it is an unknown and will stay that way.

I think real human level of competence self driving requires general intelligence. I suspect that would possibly also necessitate a system that had consciousness and was self aware.

I am intrigued by the theory that human consciousness isn't just dependent on the number of neuron interconnections, but that it may derive from quantum level events in micro tubules, which if correct, would put creating something that was conscious and had general intelligence, way beyond what we can ever achieve technically.

There seems to be a popular notion that nothing is technically impossible and beyond human ingenuity to accomplish, but I don't think that's the case. Interstellar travel is a basic and solved problem underpinning a lot of Science Fiction, but it doesn't seem achievable due to the mind bending amounts of energy required using known physics, sadly.

Is it the same seller or has it changed hands?