Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

What if unvaxxed want to have a bite to eat or a drink? Are you saying just punish them for the sake of it at this stage? I could understand limiting their movements with Alpha and Delta maybe. But Omicron is a non event and this will likely burn out very quickly now. Do we still ban them from hospitality?

That should trigger a few headlines today.

I await the rearguard action in here

Posting it up just to accelerate the rearguard action that you are wishing for?

What are you talking about? These figures don't include discharges today and tomorrow after weekend.

You would think that 2 years into this thing that making spurious points over Monday hospital numbers would be a thing of the past but seems not.

CT forum that way -> 😂

They think they are providing a vital service for boards, filtering the loons into a pen, until the normal folk end up talking about the very same things after a year or two.

Never let logic stand in the way of a clickbait headline.

"Numbers Breach 1,000 as Omicron Tsunami Wipes Out the Health Service"

The stuff just writes itself.

Are you joking or you really believe that big pharma were, are and will be acting in good faith and their main interest is the wellbeing of the human race?

If I was vaccinated, I wouldn't be denied access. That's my decision.

The answer is that vaccines (unlike a virus) leave the body relatively quickly with the only trace remaining being the antibody/t-cell/b-cell memory caused by the introduced vaccine proteins. The vaccines were primarily tested for safety and for efficacy against severe disease, effects against mild disease were measured but were not the primary outcome. Effects against severe disease have held up well in the long term with the effects against mild disease and transmission waning as antibody count drops (this same thing happens with viral infection just with greater disease risks). Long term immunity is also primarily driven by b and t-cells hence the confidence over long term efficacy.

While there is ongoing safety monitoring (as happens for all medicines) as there is no vaccine components left in the body, it is not seen as a safety threat in the longer term, previous vaccines have all shown side effects within days or weeks of administration, however, there was still months of data gathered during the trials and there is over 18 months worth of data available now with no long term effects noted (and as had been chatted about here, COVID does have measurable long term effects).

And just a note on "big pharma", your AZ vaccine was developed by the non-profit Jenner institute in Oxford, BioNTech and Moderna were both startups. All 3 partnered with existing pharmaceutical companies for manufacturing with Jenner making the formula available to be produced by other institutes (e.g. serum institute of India). China has developed it's own vaccine, as has Cuba, Russia and India. There are vaccines becoming available from Novavax (well known in the vaccine industry) and Valneva are working on delivering a vaccine soon as well. There are ongoing developments of multiple vaccines, some targeting multiple proteins, others looking at nasal delivery.

So? Just dont smell or taste things and you wont have any side effects! duh