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Djokovic

  • 06-01-2022 1:12am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney


    Anyone know what is his medical exception?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,300 ✭✭✭Ubbquittious


    I dunno, ask his djoktor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,847 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    He has a pain in his hole.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He was turfed out i see, no more than could be expected under the circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭standardg60


    The clue is in the name, no vak



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,205 ✭✭✭standardg60


    Doc a witch



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,031 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    This isn't public knowledge, since medical information is private. Officially Djokovic was granted a vaccination exemption by the Victorian State government to participate in the Australian Open on medical grounds, but we don't know the precise medical grounds.

    We do know all the possible medical grounds - there's a published list of permitted medical grounds for a vaccination exemption, and Djokovic must have claimed one of them.

    According to Twitter - and who could doubt information sourced on Twitter? 🙄 - the ground he actually relied on was that he had had PCR-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection within the past 6 months, and therefore enjoyed natural immunity and didn't need to be vaccinated before the six months expires.

    But, when he turned up at the airport and applied for entry to Australia, the Federal government - applying the same medical exemption criteria - asked for evidence that he had had Covid within the past 6 months, and he was unable to produce any. So, off to quarantine and an early flight home.

    If this is true, the implication is that the Victorian authorities accepted a statement that he had had Covid within the past 6 months but didn't look for evidence to prove that. Or, that he had evidence which he gave to the Victorian government, but for some reason was unable to produce it to the Federal authorities at the airport (which seems unlikely).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,287 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    He's a dick head. Luckily it's only mildly contagious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,540 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    he doesn't have one and his visa has been rightly rejected



  • Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Novak Djokovic's wife shared a post which appeared to suggest 5G is to blame for the coronavirus, just a day after he said he's an anti-vaxxer

    https://www.insider.com/novak-djokovic-wife-jelena-appears-to-suggest-5g-causes-coronavirus-2020-4



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney


    Mo Farah and most of Nordic skiers information is known.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney


    Did he have a TUE from before?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,031 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Well, if we accept what we read on Twitter, one possible explanation of the course of events is that Djokovic (or someone on his behalf) lied in his application to the Victorian government for a vaccination exemption. But of course what we read on Twitter might be wrong, perish the thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭Freddie Mcinerney


    I would say lie. If he wasn't on a TUE before, he was chancing his arm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,031 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    I don't understand. TUE ("therapeutic use exemption") is an authorisation to take a performance-enhancing substance which would otherwise be prohibited, because you have a medical need for it. The issue here is that Djokovic wants to not take a substance which is not performance-enhancing and is not prohibited; I don't see that a TUE comes into it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,058 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    ASES

    Arrogant, Self Entitled Syndrome.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,720 ✭✭✭whippet


    Australia is an independent sovereign nation and sets the rules for entry ... he doesn't meet the requirements and the Aussie government don't seem to bow to pressure based on celebrity and from what I can tell most Aussies support this action



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,058 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I got into a back and forth on the covid forums for daring to question what's really going on here.

    I've absolutely not a jot of interest in his Vacination stance or status, this is all about a wink and a nod exemption with a quite bizzare sudden medical exemption used to justify this outrageous decision to permit him compete.

    I'm just astonished the organisers who facilitated these Shenanigans were completely unaware how residents of Melbourne would react given what they've had to endure with lockdowns, restrictions for almost two years. This of course not the players fault but my god its astonishingly naive of his advisors not to have understood how this was going to panout.

    Bad enough the Shenanigans but then to apply for a visa that doesn't permit medical exemptions is breathtakingly stupid.

    Of course the conspiracy theorists will say its all about vacinnes, his stance Blaa Blaa Blaa, I see it for what it is, Different Strokes, For Different Folks and delighted it's back fired spectacularly.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,031 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Yes. The Victorian government's decision to give him a vaccination exemption, so allowing him to participate in the Australian Open, got a very negative response from the public, and the Federal government's decision to deny him a vaccination exemption and so cancel his visa has attracted mostly celebratory comment.

    It's still a bit embarrassing, though. Both the Victorian government and the federal government are applying the same published medical criteria to what is supposed to be a medical decision (is Djokovic exempt on medical grounds from the requirement to be vaccinated), and they are doing so based presumably on the same facts and the same evidence. But they have made diametrically opposed decisions. This causes confusion, not just for Djokovic but for anyone contemplating travel to Australia. Regardless of whether someone in Djokovic's medical situation should or should not be vaccine-exempt, the answer should at least be clear and you should be able to find out what it is before you start your journey. You shouldn't have to go all the way to Melbourne Airport to find out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭Be right back


    Apparently his deportation has been delayed due to legal appeals. Wouldn't be surprised if he is allowed to play after all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,058 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    They absolutely do and he's not the first celeb to fall foul of well known Australian approach to arrogance 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,769 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Not sure if arrogance is a medical exemption.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭BingCrosbee


    I entered Melbourne on 20/12 and had to get a covid test in Ireland and Oz. I had to get another today for flying back tomorrow. He’s an arrogant ass…. In my opinion. Serbia is a typical eastern dictatorship and his behaviour would be typical of Soviet type states.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭paul71




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,942 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Novax Djokovic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,058 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,963 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i have heard a theory that one reason he doesn't want the vaccine is that he's at the tail end of his career and can't afford to lose a single percentage point of performance. if he had a bad reaction to the vaccine, it could cost him a tournament or more; most of the likes of us debating on message boards can take a couple of days of or continue working if we have a bad reaction, but it's his actual career to be able to perform better than 99.99999% of the population and he may be taking the 'i'll get it when i'm retired' approach.



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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ah Balkans in general are very anti vaccine. I have friends over there in different countries and they haven't a notion of getting the vaccine.

    When I lived there, there was an outbreak of measles, and 15 children died. Imagine, from measles🙄

    Someone told me, I don't know how much truth there is in it, that in communist times the governments would trial vaccines on people without their permission and that their distrust has continued on. I dunno, could be stories. Anyway, in this day and age you would think they would give their kids vaccines so they don't die from those diseases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,031 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    To be fair, there is no suggestion that Djokovic didn't have to be tested, or that he wasn't tested.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,653 ✭✭✭cml387




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,031 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus



    If so, that would be a pretty dumb calculation. The risk of contracting covid, and of suffering a prolonged period of inability to perform/sub-par performance as a consequence, is vastly, vastly greater than the risk of a bad reaction to the vaccine resulting in a prolonged period of etc. He reduces his risk by taking the vaccine; he increases it by not being vaccinated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,936 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    I would say the majority have had very little reaction bar a sore arm so that doesn't really massively hold up.

    Maybe he should look at kimmich or Choupo Moting at Bayern (both refused vaccine)..both got covid and hit hard, kimmich has been out for months and only back training now.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,963 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    well, not having the vaccine has definitely cost him at least one tournament now.

    i've read that peter sagan was taking that approach; it's not working out well for him either.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,058 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,215 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    He's always been a bit of a wanker. That tweet he sent before getting on his flight was moronic, if he'd just kept his mouth shut he'd have been fine but he just couldn't help himself. The fact that he's desperate to be loved like Federer/Nadal despite being undoubtedly better than either of them now makes it all the more hilarious.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,749 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    I guess Victoria thought that as 9-time Australian open champion, the public wanted him to play, so they fudged things around the exemption.

    But they misjudged the mood, and when the mood became clear, things changed swiftly, and Scott Morrison got to flex his muscles for the win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭thefallingman


    I see Chris smalling just got his vaccine in Italy as they were going to stop him from playing, i don't agree calling anyone names like above it's his body and his choice, but there is consequences to that decision, as he is now finding out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    I think the tweet was the problem... he should have kept quiet...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,983 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    I agree but he has always been a bit of an touchy self centered hot head, I reckon he had no official medical exemption.

    I prseume he wasnt fully vaxxed either.

    Im glad the ABF refused him entry and rightly so, apparently he is being held on appeal before consideration of being deported, lol

    ABF dont take any lame excuses when it comes to protecting their borders.


    https://www.rte.ie/sport/tennis/2022/0105/1269885-djokovic-must-prove-exemption-or-go-home-aussie-pm/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,983 ✭✭✭kravmaga




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I wonder if it's a case that the Victorian government told him in principle that he had the exemption and granted the visa, but the small print said that the proof would still be required to be physically presented before entering the country. Either not spotting this, or being so arrogant as to think it wasn't important then he turned up, didn't have the proof and got sent on his way.

    What a moron.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,037 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Maybe, but that’s not much use when he can’t physically get into the countries that host grand slams, because he refuses to get vaccinated.

    I also think that if he just hadn’t tweeted about it, he probably would have been fine.

    This is the tweet, for anyone wondering:




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    @bubblypop wrote:

    Someone told me, I don't know how much truth there is in it, that in communist times the governments would trial vaccines on people without their permission and that their distrust has continued on. I dunno, could be stories.

    In Romania in particular, Ceaușescu engaged in all sorts of broad social and medical experiments that resulted in generations of women effectively being forced to have children and then having to hand them over to orphanages because they were unable to care for them. The orphanages were little more than concentration camps for children, where they were neglected, tortured and experimented on by the authorities. Disabled children especially were treated like animals, and many healthy children became disabled in the homes due to their exposure to treatable illnesses, malnutrition or injury.

    As a result, there is widespread distrust of the government in Romania in relation to health care and children rights. I expect even if the situation wasn't quite so grim in Serbia, the distrust would certainly overflow from Romania in terms of "look at the damage they might do".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Do you actually need to be vaccinated in order to enter Australia?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 559 ✭✭✭BurgerFace


    Oh boy. Way to turn this into a rant against an entire country. Actually shoehorn Soviet in there to include maybe Russia in your diatribe.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    That he had medical exemption... i chink it was clear from the beginning the rules were bent for him and he may have being ok had he stayed quiet... thats just my view...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,705 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    Serbian athletes wouldn't exactly have the cleanest record in terms of doping in recent times.

    Whenever I hear of medical exemptions, the controversies in cycling come to mind.

    I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it emerges over time that it was more than a diet change that saw Novak eventually dominate the sport. Which makes his anti-vax stance even more brain-dead.

    Post edited by castletownman on


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