Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

I don't think you understand what "critical thinking" is.

For instance, claiming that €1000 was spent on advertising for every man, woman and child in Ireland without stopping to think "hmmm, that sounds like it might be a bit high" is definitely not actively and skillfully analysing and evaluating information.

lol very poetic. Also lies. Also probably stolen from some twitter grifter.

Show us your evidence that the vaccine is dangerous. nearly a hundred pages and you guys have been unable to do that and made a complete joke out of yourselves in the process.

Again, you seem to be moving the goal posts.

Your original claim was that people who were vaccinated had the same chances of being infected by omicron as unvaccinated people.

This claim is not true. On several levels.

In the 6 months where 2 doses of vaccine is definitely effective, who is going to have more of chance of catching and spreading the virus? (And also remember that Delta is still making the rounds as well.)

And this is all ignoring the other effects of the vaccine as outlined in the report you linked.

Who is more likely to have symptoms? Who is more likely to become severely ill? Who is more likely to die? Who is more likely to be more resistant to future variants.

Claiming that there is no difference between being vaccinated and unvaccinated is silly.

Like the flu vaccine you mean?

Also you are making the same fallacy that the goal or only worthwhile outcome is to 100% stop transmission. No one is claiming this is the goal or that it is a realisitc possibility. The goal is to reduce infection, transmission and incidents of severe illness and death. The vaccines (including boosters) do this and help reduce the knock on strain on health systems.

What alternative do you suggest? Just let the virus go nuts?

Ok great. I didn't know that was a thing.

So how come the report you linked doesn't make mention of it outside that one graph you are inferring from?

The second any conspiracy theorist can show this is actually happening and that it's due to the vaccine.

Eriksen? Didnt get the vaccine

Charlie Wyke? Didnt get the vaccine

Ageuros wasnt related to vaccines or covid. Lindelof the same. Same for John Fleck.

Seems theres quite a few who haven't had the vaccine.

Cool. Evidence for this please and the evidence that this is being caused by vaccines?

Yes. You do seem to put an awful lot of stock and trust into obvious grifters because they stroke your worldview while ignoring reasonable people.

It's how you were duped into believing all the shite you do.

So did you take his Covid cure?

SuperSilver Whitening Toothpaste and SuperSilver Wound Dressing Gel 🤭

FYI hes banned from Facebook, Apple, YouTube, Instagram, Pinterest, Twitter, Spotify and PayPal and he was selling fake Covid cures at the start of the pandemic to poor people for his own personal gain.

That's not what he claimed though.

Better buy some then! He still sells it on Amazon I think. Put your money where your mouth is.

No I wouldn't. Because even if the virus did come from a lab, that's not what Alex Jones claimed.

He was claiming that it was created to fake a pandemic. Was he right about that?

He was claiming that it was created by a cabal of secret satanist.communists. Was he right about that?

No, CQD, he wasn't.

He was not making his claim based on any secret insider knowledge. He was not making the claim because he's a super smart invetigator.

He made the claim cause he always makes that claim about everything. He claimed it about SARS, MERS and the Swine and avian Flu. Pretty sure he claimed it about AIDS as well.

Was he right about those?

Please keep defending Alex Jones. You are making my job so very easy today. I might cut you in on that shill money.

What strawmen?

I don't think you know what that word means.

Are you claiming that Jones didn't make those claims?

Was he right about them or not?

I've answered your silly question clearly and directly.

The least you could do is the same.

But you won't. Cause you can't.

Irrelevant, because we're discussing symptomatic disease and transmission

Symptoms is equal likelihood after 6 months, as proven by UKHSA

Severe illness and death is more likely in naive unvaccinated individuals - I've never disputed that. Nor were we ever discussing it. Seems like cope from you bringing it up.

Most resistant to future variants? People with natural immunity. Natural immunity based on the entire virus (as opposed to just S1 epitope) has a far greater diversity of antibodies and memory B cells, meaning such people are better equipped to deal with variants with a greater antigenic drift.

Where did I claim that exactly? According to you my original claim was that people who were vaccinated had the same chances of being infected by omicron as unvaccinated people.

Do you know anything about vaccines? Influenza vaccines are different every single year. They target different lineages and subvariations thereof. Totally different scenario to taking the same vaccine ad infinitum in an attempt to stave off negative efficacy.

lol are you trying to disprove the concept of negative efficacy based on the UKHSA not commenting on it in a weekly roundup of covid stats?

Why did they graph their data with a negative axis going right down to -60? Negative efficacy is a very real concept, trying to argue it doesnt exist is head in the sand stuff.

Or you could answer his valid questions??

Lol. Insults rather than answering simple questions.

Pretty typical.

Honestly dude, what do you tell yourself when you do that? Do you think it's helping you or convincing people?

Do you think you're fooling people or...?

Oooh ok. So then it's just makey uppy pretend times so you boys can feel like big boy investigators.

That's cute.

Ok. So there's no conspiracy. You just know better because you've read a lot of twitter. That's nice.

Still, you haven't pointed out any conspiracy here. Is someone keeping something secret that only you know about? Yes, Omicron is more transmissible. Thank you, unvaccinated, for that. Now, it may be that additional boosters are pointless against Omicron. Fortunately, the vaccines are keeping the far deadlier initial, Kent (Alpha) and Delta variants from causing too much havoc. Vaccinated people contracting Omicron - are they clogging hospitals and ICUs?

I still think you're just doing this for laughs, but feel free to convince me you're onto something here.