Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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Looks to be Jan 30th now, the process of backdating updates continues (written Jan 7th and published today):

9 months after your second jab. Maybe different if you are boosted. Dont know if it is 9 months after booster shot as well. Likely though. Set by the EU. In my case my Covid Cert expires half march as i didnt get the booster. I am wondering if i get a booster after my cert expires if it is reinstated. Anyone?

Sorry, didnt notice the 'domestic' in your post. Is that different from the DCC?

Why don’t you list the misguided notions that people have about “rights” then?

You could just google "human rights in Ireland" if you really wanted to, there are plenty of references to the Irish constitution online.

The right to bodily integrity is one of them, surprised you didn't know about it after the "Repeal the 8th" campaign.

Here ya go Pen.

P152 onwards deals with personal rights.

I can't believe there is people still convinced that they are going to remove the covid cert. I posted an article yesterday that Ireland has already secured a contract with Pfizer to provide enough jabs for the next 2 years/2 rounds for the whole population (unvaccinated included): how are they going to keep track of how many jabs each one of us has received?

It depends so strongly on personal philosophy that it would be near impossible to have one list of rights.

If you believe in a sort of Lockean theory of natural, inalienable rights (as I do), then ostensibly afforded legal "rights" are irrelevant to them. Under such a philosophy, laws (and the governments that create them) can be acting unjustly by abrogating or attempting to abrogate inalienable rights.

For example, I believe that the inalienable right to freedom of movement is fundamental with very few exceptions. When the Irish government instituted legislation to abrogate that right under the justification of Covid and restrict people's movement to within 2km of their home, that right didn't disappear—(I believe) it was being unjustly infringed upon by an overreaching government.

Maybe this would be easier - what 'human rights' have you lost?

@TomTomTim ? Care to answer? Anyone? I'm not looking for an argument, I'm just very curious.

I'd be interested in hearing the official argument for their introduction in the first place.

As with all things in the Constitution it really comes down to interpretation and existing case law. In a way, nothing us against the Constitution until it is held up in the courts.

Well, vaccines do reduce transmission (that seems to be one of the most repeated wrong/alternative facts on this thread, so not surprised to see other posters parrot it), the main reason for the certs is to keep the unvaccinated away from locations where they are likely to get infected and end up hospitalised and that worked pretty well for Delta.

With Omicron, all that maths changes and the certs shouldn't be needed anymore internally, the hospitalisation risk seems to be substantially lower and if the current wave abates, there's no reason they need to be kept.

But, what needs to be watched is economics, it was posted a few pages ago, but it's cheaper to run a vaccinated population, cost of care is less, less health capacity needed, that may be one of the main future drivers of policy, also with 94% vaccinated and a crazy high uptake in teenagers (will see if children get above 50%) none of the parties really need to care about votes from the disaffected, it's not as big an issue and doesn't impact as many as things like water charges did. A single issue candidate in the USA might make some hay with it (but the GOP have it locked in over there) in Ireland, people want roads and hospitals and low taxes.

Per Darconio, the EU has a multi year agreement with multiple vaccine companies, they don't plan to be surprised by a new virus in the future, the contracts have the option not to be taken up, but unless there's a drastic change, there will be annual boosters, the vulnerable might even get it twice a year.

And Foxsake had such a reasonable post until the veil slipped about the vaccine changing the body (which is true as it aids the immune system to learn about a new virus, but I would win a bet that you think it's something more nefarious than that despite all evidence to the contrary).

NPHET will see this and want us to wait the period out regarding restrictions