Marvel's Black Widow

flazio · 05-10-2021 1:16pm

Bumping to remind you that it comes out on Disney+ this Wednesday.

Slydice · 11-01-2022 1:07am

Gave this a watch. Very enjoyable! Way more than I could tell from the trailers.

I thought they did the family parts really well. It was reluctant but it felt like a proper bond. Liked the jokes too! 🙂

Also seemed to work very well after seeing the Hawkeye TV series. Wierd but worked for me.

Especially the sentimental call-backs/call-forwards. Seemed to work both ways

For the future, it's strange, there felt like likes of potential.

Red Guardian kept mentioning fighting Captain America so it almost sounds like there's a back-in-time film lined up for that.

Definitely wouldn't mind seeing more Yelena, Melina, Taskmaster and The Black Widows!

Need a Username · 11-01-2022 4:03am

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Chris Evans has left the MCU so there no chance of a live action story with Red Guardian.

I have mixed feeling about such a story. It would be cool to see some post-thaw Rodgers adventures from in between the movies but also it is fun with how they left it ambiguous as to whether or not Red Guardian was telling tall tales.

flazio · 11-01-2022 6:26am

Red Guardian was called out on that wasn't he? How Captain America was still in ice when RG claimed to have fought him? Although I have a theory that it might have been Isiah (the old man we meet in Falcon and the Winter Solider)

Anyway, I reckon Marvel are already working on a buddy cop series for "Hawkeye and The Black Widow" featuring Yelena and Kate Bishop.

TheIrishGrover · 11-01-2022 11:36am

Thought Florence Pugh totally stole the show. I would imagine to the consternation of Scarlett Johansson - She had all the best lines and quips. You could see that they were spending a huge amount of time building up her character as they had Plans.

I thought the film itself was only average. Most of that was down to the fact that there was no real risk-level for Black Widow. You know she's going to survive. You know she is going to be pretty much unchanged in that it's not like she came back to the next Avengers film all scarred up or carrying any (new) trauma. It really was about fulfilling Scarlett Johansson's contract and introducing Yelena.

Who again totally stole the show in Hawkeye

Need a Username · 11-01-2022 12:34pm

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I forgot that he was caught out on the dates.

Maybe it was all made up so.

It doubt it was Isaiah - he was released from prison in the 80s but what would have motivated him to fight? He don’t seem to believe in anything especially if it involves dressing up in a costume. And Red Guardian would know if he was fighting a black man in a Captain America suit.

It goes without saying that Steinfeld and Pugh are going to team up again - and many times I hope. I hope it is a series but they’ll be in movies too.

pixelburp · 11-01-2022 12:47pm

I took Red Guardian to be well-meaning but ultimately, a total bullshít artist. That yeah, he never fought Captain America but deeply wanted to - if only to prove to himself he had a point.

Need a Username · 11-01-2022 12:55pm

I honestly can’t explain this and it baffles me but every time (and I mean EVERY time) I hear Florence Pugh’s voice in an interview in I am surprised at what her voice sounds like.

It is very strange.

FunLover18 · 11-01-2022 2:06pm

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I think this is the most logical explanation but if that's the case then the fact that he keeps it up even with those supposedly closest to him kinda takes away from the sincerity of those moments for me.

Agent Coulson · 11-01-2022 2:16pm

He never said it was Steve Rodgers Captain America did he?

He could have taken on Isaiah Bradley's Captain America who we met in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

This also plays into no one believing him as America kept Black Captain America secret.

flazio · 11-01-2022 2:18pm

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It's called acting dahling 😝

Nah, I'm with you and she's not the only one. Stephanie Beatriz sounds nothing like Rosa in real life and if you ever watched Orphan Black, you'll probably have no clue as to what Tatiana Malsaney's natural dictation is. Is it British, Ukrainian, Soccer Mom?

Penn · 11-01-2022 2:59pm

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Kinda have to factor in though not just the different race which Red Guardian doesn't mention, but also Bradley wasn't Captain America, just a super soldier.

RG might have fought Bradley or other super soldiers, but I think him saying he fought Captain America is just him bullsh*tting.

Need a Username · 11-01-2022 3:17pm

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No it is about any roles she played.

I aware she was a star on the rise for a while and saw photos but saw interviews with her long before any movies.

So her acting and ability to do accents has nothing to do with it.

pixelburp · 11-01-2022 3:18pm

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Ack it's why the movie felt so half-baked; as you ímply his arc is a little muddled or messy. Leaving aside the Captain America stuff, I never thought the script properly threaded the line between the "mission first" man we met at the start - complicit in two girls being kidnapped - and the paternal waffle he kept up after the "family"'s reunion. Maybe I've forgotten a moment like that. While that scene after the Guardian's rescue, with all the talk about the widows' forced sterilisation, just hit all the wrong tonal notes.

Need a Username · 11-01-2022 3:20pm

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The whole world knew Rogers was Captain America and it it is clear that Red Guardian is talking the Captain America. The one Nathashia worked with.

Need a Username · 11-01-2022 3:27pm

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The movie is great but I agree about how they handled the sterilisation of the women in the programme.

It was good moment for Yalena to have the outburst but the reaction they had Red Guardian do wrong in many ways.

Plus it was never brought up again.

If they had made Red Guardian react seriously to that moment he would have been believable as their father.

The issue was treated with more respect by Joss Whedon - which is kind of ironic.

pixelburp · 11-01-2022 4:00pm

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It was a terrible piece of writing; a bit too snarky but Yalena's outburst was justified and earnest ... but Guardian's reaction was awful. Shades of that kind of "eww, woman's problems, gross!" reaction you'd have thought was nuked in the writers' room. Especially given later they made pains to show us this "family" working together; as you say the set-up was there for Guardian to atone for his sins, and being complicit in his "daughters" sterilisation. instead, they played it as a joke; hoho, men don't like hearing about women's health issues. Jaysus.

Need a Username · 11-01-2022 4:50pm

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This a much way of saying what I wanted in the previous post.

thank you.

the moment killed the fun of the movie for quite some time afterward - and to be honest it felt completely alien to the movie it had been up to that point and the movie it was afterwards.

I also find it odd as it was women in control of the movie - yes not every woman cares about such a topic - I just find it surprising

Foxtrol · 11-01-2022 4:57pm

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I doubt Johansson cared about building up Pugh, if anything she likely supported it as it is the culture of most MCU films to introduce other characters - she benefited from it herself in IM2.

Understand your point regarding the risk to BW in the movie but that is the case for all prequels and it is very rare that a named hero dies in any movie. BW movie does however add to the level of new trauma when it comes to where she is mentally in Endgame and the sacrifice she makes, especially as we see in Hawkeye that

Yelena was snapped by Thanos so what she was doing was also to bring her back

TheIrishGrover · 11-01-2022 4:57pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVxocz5bCms

"Oh, we're going to do a more grounded movie about a lady who jumped off a cliff on planet Vormir after a red-faced war criminal who is now a space ghost explained that that was the only way to get her hands on the magic rock she wanted before a muscled-bound purple alien got it and completed his power glove?"

The Phantom Pain · 11-01-2022 7:25pm

I thought Red Guardian's reaction was believable as a lot of men do tend to act like that towards women's issues and the two sisters leaned into that. I think Joss Whedon's approach worked as well. Tone is important. It's a matter of taste.

Foxtrol · 11-01-2022 7:59pm

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I felt very similarly, whether the comment was right or wrong from our perspective his response fit into everything else we saw about the character - he loves the girls but his hopes and dreams for them was never what we'd expect from a normal parent, he saw them having a successful happy life being one where they were spies and killers. He never thought about what that cost them from a health or emotional perspective and when confronted with it here he deflects in the cowardly way he does repeatedly during the movie when things clash against his worldview.

pjohnson · 11-01-2022 8:13pm

Yeah it ever stood out to me as it was in character.

If he suddenly became emotional apologising asking forgiveness etc. it would have stuck out awfully. The response fitted the character.

The Phantom Pain · 11-01-2022 8:34pm

Oh no. In that case, I take it back. I was wrong - I have to be! Bad, bad writing. Don't mind me. Carry on!

Need a Username · 11-01-2022 11:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457450#Comment_118457450

No one criticising the moment suggested Red Guardian get all emotional and start apologising.

He could have been silent which showed he understood or it could also have shown that this was the first he knew of it.

Or let the let the moment as it (as Foxtrol says he never thought about the affect on the children) and later in that scene with Yalena before they are grabbed he says he is sorry this thing was done to her.

The way it is makes it feel it was brought just for laughs

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