Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I find reading that piece about Leo and the summer of freedom absolutely infuriating, I feel like screaming reading that ****. I honestly believe we are fucked in this country with them fuckwits in charge.

I’m yet to be in a bar that actually closed at 8pm since that ridiculous rule came in!

Surely tho, we should be asking questions. An example in relation to the changes in womens menstruation; as far as I am aware, this is not called out at all as any sort of side effect, nor was it studied at time of trails etc. I think, (i may be wrong) but this was highlight as a female doctor experienced it and THEN enough people came forward so they looked at it and found that the changes are only temporary.

Fact is, it was a side effect, but not found in their studies, so this is ongoing.. the vaccines can and always should be improved.. we cant take them as perfect now.. so if something can be improved on, its must have flaws..

In relation to long term effects, there are NO studies to show that pre developed tweens, or teens in developing stage, that have had their menstruation effected will have any issues ref fertility down the line.- the reason being because those teens are not trying to get pregnant now and wont for another 10 years or more.. it should not be incorrect to question these things, because it is physically impossible to know the answer for a future scenario.

So yes, we should ask questions amongst ourselves (peers and mates etc) and also to those in power, isnt that what science literally is.. asking questions, testing hypothesis etc.. and imo the answers we are being given are educated guesses and nothing more... so for alot of people, that is not enough, when it comes to their health or that of their children. And for people to shoot those people down is just simple arrogance.

This is exactly the problem being faced a) there are vaccine threads that cover all this, so bringing it up here is off topic, b) those topics have all been specifically covered and the studies into them posted and discussed, the questions are answered, some of the posters even participate in the discussion and then a few days later when they think the coast is clear, will start pushing the questions and misinformation again. On top of that, even when shown those scientific, peer reviewed studies, posters will then start denying reality instead. But just to be clear, vaccines don't effect fertility, the vaccine clears itself from the body in a matter of days leaving nothing behind but a more prepared immune system. Virus actively attack the body, destroying cells and organs, COVID has been shown to effect fertility and is really f*cking dangerous for pregnant women to catch.

The amount of relatively new posters on here who start their posts with the equivalent of "So, the vaccines don't work" is staggering.

There are 5 million people in Ireland, so that's a vaccine a year for everyone over 2 years which sounds like pretty good planning. And as I pointed out, the orders can be cancelled if they aren't needed, but every properly run country in the world is putting in advance purchases for vaccines, because there is a pandemic and Governments want it to end.

What is it with posters firing out this supercilious you're naive nonsense? You might want to look at the mindset that produced all of this first before finger wagging at anyone else! I really have no answers to any of these questions but I would suggest you get out of that rabbit hole now!

Placing an order doesn't mean they will actually buy them, it means reserving them. Given our early days experience of vaccine supplies it's called not taking any chances. 10m is enough to cover all of us with an annual shot, IF we want one.

I'm angry looking at all the positivity in Scotland esp seeing the Rugby Union skipping a jig with them allowed have full attendances for the upcoming 6N

It's mental torture here what we have to go through

Apologies didn't mean to offend, but did you read the article?

Doesn't sound to me like it's optional depending on the outcome of the pandemic

Well, there is a current belief that we may well need an annual booster, some people certainly will. This year we got 2m flu shorts but AFAIK we've only used about 1.4m of them. Even if we don't use them all it is better to have them when the landscape is unknown but COVID is expected to be around anyway. It is extremely unlikely that any of the measures we've been stuck with for nearly two years will be part of the equation.

That's usually the reading Gortanna does of every public statement, interesting to see a similar mindset copy it.

We will undoubtedly take up those orders, but we have cancelled multiple orders in the past, we declined our orders of AstraZeneca and Janssen last Summer for example.

But, if you think something nefarious is going on here other than good planning, do start outlining it rather than using innuendo. You know you're bursting at the seams to tell us all what it means :)

Ireland won't be alone. No chance Kim Jong Drakeford allows a full house in Cardiff and France have 5K capacity with Italy at 50%.

Stephen donnelly was on Newstalk this evening. Apparently Leo said something (haven't seen it yet) about around 30% of hospital cases being incidental, so the presenter asked Donnelly about this and why NPHET mentioned a number of around 5%.

Donnelly said that the 30% number is not stable so can't be taken as a set number, it's been fluctuating, could be 23%, could be 27%.

Just last week, a chap called Oisin (I think), a C level hse exec was asked this same question in the morning show as to what the breakdown was and he said they didn't have that number. They were going through it with a fine tooth comb on both existing patients and new admissions, and would have it soon. A week or two.

Donnelly seems to think that not only is the number at least approximately known, but it's known long enough that you can mark fluctuations in it.

How odd.

Thank you England.