What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

What was commonly accepted before, during and after the period surrounding the American Civil War was that the Irish were a greater threat to Nativist ideals of their Republic, than blacks, who were just their property.

There’s a nuance to the narrative of Irish immigrants in America and the idea that they worked hard and assimilated themselves into American society. Some wealthier Irish immigrants were able to fend for themselves and organise themselves, but the vast majority of Irish immigrants were viewed in the very same way as some people nowadays view immigrants to Ireland.

It’s easy to draw parallels and assign modern values/concepts to that period in history, because people aren’t any different now than they were then - modern values/ concepts haven’t changed a bit since then, and Western society isn’t any more civilised now than it was then.

When I think of media portrayals of the American Civil War, Django Unchained is not the first one that springs to mind, not least for the fact that I’ve never seen it as I just don’t find Tarantino all that entertaining, but I think of movies like Gone With The Wind and mini-series like North and South or Roots.

If I were to think of a movie portrayal of the Irish and how they were regarded in the same period, Gangs of New York is a good one -

I tried to watch The Irishman recently on Netflix, but it was a bum-numbing three and a half hours, and I didn’t find it particularly entertaining, even if it is more historically accurate than anything Tarantino has ever done.

The same thing that happens to any non-muslim when they come into contact with a devout muslim who thinks they should burn in hell, ie. Nothing.

The problem occurs when a devout religious nutjob decides that their own god is useless, and tries to give a helping hand

But that the problem yoke, isn't it? When hardline Muslims come in contact with unbelievers, and decide to follow Mohammad's instructions to the letter. And then you will see bloodshed, has happened too many times world wide and not just historically, but in recent times. So it all depends on the circumstances. Your devout Muslim here in Ireland who is surrounded by unbelievers, is unlikely to harm anyone.....but in a different place would he react differently? Until it happens, (or not) only time will tell. But you cannot say with certainty that it will never happen.

Not the least bit surprising that you would dismiss the idea of modern values and concepts not having changed a bit, as thunderwaffle, and proclaim proudly that you didn’t read any further.

Had you read further, you might have understood the context in which the point was being made, in a thread about multiculturalism and immigration where @jmreire made the point that Irish immigrants worked hard wherever they landed, and @[Deleted User] made the point that Django Unchanged was a good example of how blacks were regarded in American society and culture during the time of ownership of black slaves.

Gone With The Wind is one of the greatest movies ever made, and it’s influence on American society and culture cannot be underestimated or understated, both on and off the silver screen. Had Clarke Gable been around today (and providing the #metoo movement didn’t get to him first!), you would undoubtedly be leading the charge to portray him as woke for his reaction to segregation on the set of the film (segregated toilet facilities for whites and blacks), and again at the premiere of the film in 1939 which was held in Atlanta (where a certain future civil rights leader was a mere choirboy), and the black cast members were prohibited from attending due to the Jim Crow laws in effect at the time.

It wasn’t until 1964 that the American Civil Rights Act was passed which made discrimination on a number of grounds unlawful, and yet still in 2016 they elected a President who made no secret of his feelings towards immigrants and their impact on American society and culture. Granted the alternative was Hillary who didn’t exactly cover herself in glory by condemning anyone who didn’t share her opinions as ‘deplorable’, but the point is that it demonstrates the same attitudes exist in American society and culture as always did. If people who claim to be Republican had their way in 2020, there would be no way the descendant of Irish Catholic immigrants would hold the office of the President of America.

In the very thread where there are people who would deport all immigrants in the morning if they had the power, and block any more from coming into Ireland by characterising their presence in other European countries the way they do, using exactly the same rhetoric as was used then, couched in modern terms like “incompatible with our culture”, and you dismiss the observation of the parallels as thunderwaffle, I’d suggest you were either having a laugh, or you were being wilfully ignorant.

I generally prefer to keep things light-hearted, so I’m gonna go with the far more likely scenario that you’re having a laugh.

Ahh here, this is bottom of the barrel stuff 😒

The question was asked alright, or rather like you just did - the suggestion was made, to the UK Parliament by way of petition, and it was rejected -

It’s as though you’re attempting to put across the idea that Muslims present a greater risk to the general public by virtue of them being Muslim, because if I were to follow your earlier argument that Islam cannot change (which I don’t agree with), I’d still know that in any religion, they have dispensations for every circumstance, because the nature of religion is to provide guidance for every circumstance, and Islam is no different -

Wasn’t it only what, two, three weeks ago an artic truck driver crashed their vehicle in Dublin airport and we’d people on here jumping in early with sorts of conclusions about the driver. Any idiot could say look at statistics and draw their own conclusions which they could claim are supported by statistics, and unfortunately there are a few people who do just that.

All muslims do that, right? They all take out a sword and cut the throat of the "sinner"..... amazing.

I grew up in the Ireland you speak about, and down the Country at that, the whole religious bit, educated in the CBS etc. Catholic then, and still a Catholic. If there was discrimination back then, I didn't see it... and we lived beside a Protestant family, who were popular and highly thought of. ( of course Northern Ireland did have massive discrimination, but against Catholics ) But while the North was divided along religious lines, it was not religious mandated.......no where can you see in the Bible, "Kill the Unbeliever". It was purely political in the North. Islam is different in that the Quran specifically states " Kill the Unbelievers", and those who leave Islam. This has not changed since the 6th century, and because its considered the Holy Word of Allah, only he can change it. There has never been any real change's since the 6th century, unlike with the Bible, which was changed drastically by Christ. That was our reformation. And in the Muslim Country's that I've lived in, I've seen plenty of hardline discrimination against non-Muslims. But it would be fantastic if only they could change.