Djokovic

No it's not even in the slightest. The hospitals are clogged with Covid cases which a disproportionate amount of are not vaccinated which is leading to elective surgery and procedures being cancelled.

Being vaccinated massively reduces the chance of ending up in ICU

Djokovic is a class A tool. Incredible tennis player but he should not be dealt with any differently just because of who he is from any normal joe soap. He lied on his forms so should be refused entry for that as would happen to anyone else.

One thing that is intriguing me is if he has openly lied on the forms as has now come out what is to say that he has not been lying all along even now with regards to being positive back in December. Could he be doubling down knowing that if he has "recovered" there is a chance of being allowed in unvaxxed as he will have a level of immunity but if he did not have covid there was 0 chance of a medical exemption hence when he attended the events and the interview he did so as he was not positive at all and was not breaking any rules?

Ok don't expect soccer style riots, but I do think it can get nasty, and that is not something one expects at a tennis tournament.

All it takes is for some Croats to turn up to stir the shyte.

Also expect boos and jeers from Aussies p**sed off that Novak is allowed enter the country never mind play.

Then if the Djokovic's fans boys and girls start up the Aussies won't be long letting their feeling be known.

Yes I saw that too. One fit 43-year old unvax'd mountain climber died of covid.

This outlier doesn't tell us much about whether fit young healthy people are at great risk or not (they aren't).

I don't know why the Aussies are dragging this out. They are known for their strict border control. He has now admitted to making the false declaration re his travel movements prior to entering Australia so he should be out.

Surely this goes beyond the vaccine issue now! He lied on his entry forms- surely this is a completely black and white case now!

Unless people who think this is all a fuss about nothing think people who lie on their entry forms to Ireland should be just waved on through.

Honestly, some people could do with getting a good dose of it and ending up in ICU, it would soon soften their cough. The continued stupidity, selfishness and lack of knowledge around vaccines two years into this is depressing.

It would probably do the opposite of soften their cough 😉

no its not - its fact.. 50% of those with covid in hospital here are from the less than 6% of the population.. ie: 200,000 non vaccinated.... which has led to the HSE being overburdened.. so lots of patients have had their treatments/procedures cancelled.. you need to be able to see the bigger picture.. do the maths!

😂😂😂 This loon trying to associate herself with Djokovic. He'll be delighted with that I'm sure.

Would you reckon you are better off getting vaccinated than not ?

I damn well know that.

Why not look up the history of Croatia and Serbia ?

Then look up how in 2007 Croats and Serbs attacked each other at the Australian Open.

And yes it was what some would call a riot, unless you think attacking each other with flag poles was some kind of friendly neighbourly Balkan ritual.

The look up how in 2009 Bosnians and Serbs went at each other at the Australian Open.

They engaged in chair throwing contest. Must be another Balkan tradition.

I never said fit people are more susceptible or at greater risk.

My point was that someone reasonably young and healthy, who happened to be a complete denier, caught covid and died.

Oh and valuable resources were wasted on them, when someone who did their best to behave probably went without.

@jmayo Either somebody did or did not 'go without'. Not all standard hospital treatment is a zero-sum triage situation.

No resources were 'wasted' on treating a sick person.

Didn't you say upthread you hoped unvax'd people would be 'cleansed from the gene pool'? So I'm hardly going to take anything you say seriously. You are an emotional ranter, not a serious commentator.

Finally, 43 years isn't that young it's middle-aged and it was the best the media could come up with for their 'fit young person' angle.

People healed the sick to the best of their ability as that is what they were enjoined to do by Christ's message. While Muslims may have had better treatments I don't doubt it. David Bentley Hart historian wrote about this, and life expectancy increased in early Europe so those early Christians must have had some effectiveness.

As for fit young people who have caught covid and being pretty unwell what about Bayern Munich's unvaccinated 26 year old star midfielder Joshua Kimmich who had been out of football since November and only went back to traininig a week ago due to severe problems ?

Juve's 26 year old Paulo Dybala from Argentina also stated he had bad experience with covid and was out from mid March until May in 2020.

He still claimed he was not right in early June.

Resources are not infinite, ICU beds are not infinite.

Resources are often wasted when they have to be applied to someone who could have prevented the need in the first place.

And no I am not talking about motorbike accident victims or some such.

Resources are wasted, or were pre pandemic every fooking weekend in Irish hospitals treating drunks who not alone tied up staff, but worse still often made A&Es warzones.

A famous example of the greatest waste of hospital resources was George Best.

Someone else compatible might have done with that liver, but no it was given to old George who drank himself to death.

BTW also see my earlier post re riots at Australian Open.

Now I have better things to do than argue with such a serious commentator as yourself. 😏

I think what all this boils down to is not vaccinated people angry because it has shown up their lack of independent thought.

What it really is is the seething anger of the non vaccinated and conspiracy theorists who when finally given their long awaited chance to energize the "silent majority" failed miserably. The shock and anger that there in fact is no silent majority. This unhinged anger can be seen all over Boards any time something like this comes up.

In fairness to most people who said Djokovic done nothing wrong have since said they were wrong or just silently stopped backing him now that he has admitted fault. Some though don't care about facts and continue this holy war of theirs

In this thread the explosions of anger and profanity have been all on the pro-vax side.

While it's true some unvac conspiracy theorists can be angry, anti-social people, I'm not seeing a lot of restraint on boards from the average vaccinated poster.

Assuming Boards is a decent barometer of Irish society then 95% of Boardsies are vaccinated so your average poster/vaccinated person doesn't give a sht about threads like this.

The unvaccinated remind me of that old vegan joke.

How do you know someone is unvaccinated ?

They tell you