Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I really am curious as to what 2022 will hold for us.

Same **** as usual it would seem

Because the influenza virus mutates. Something a lot on here apparently did not surprisingly seem to know as they seem to believe they were promised that a single regime of a vaccine would give them sterilising immunity to a Covid virus that was known before vaccines were available, could, and had actually mutated.

You could say that flu vaccine, which change practically yearly are even more fast tracked than the Covid vaccines were, but nobody has a problem with that for some strange reason.

J&J gave me 9 hours in A & E and a myocarditis diagnosis.

Thank you for telling me that didn't happen though, doctor. Was confused for a moment.

I had the j&j as well,and no way will I take another

I won't be taking a fourth no more than I take the annual flu vaccine. Simply put, I don't need it, don't get any benefit from it, and Omicron is little more than a mild cold for the vast majority of people.

That's not to say that I think that it shouldn't be available to those who want it, but it need to become a voluntary thing like every other covid measure (including masks).

We cannot let this country slide into a position where businesses are closed, people put out of work, told to stay away from others and wear masks every winter just because people get the sniffles and the HSE still can't manage the health service.

the side effects that some have suffered are not "for the worse"? a bold claim.

Anyway you continually have misrepresented what i was said in that post - it's not worth discussing with you.

Post below is spot on accurate.

Regarding restrictions: if Nphet will give advice about lifting restrictions on january 20 prior to implementation on january 30 there will be very little time for case and especially hospitalisation numbers to drop as it is only 7 days away. I would guess they would like the restrictions to stay as they are even though numbers are likely to drop further from 20 to 30 january. The government could sell that as the advice given on which they base their decision. Watch that space!

Oh, and can we talk some more about vaccinations and boosters please?! There is very little mention of those topics..😆

I believe by law you don't have to disclose your vaccination status to your employer in Ireland, maybe I am wrong?

With the new isolation rules regarding less days isolating with the booster, are people who need to stay out of work telling employers whether they are boosted or not by the number of days they need off?

Which in effect is telling your employer whether you are vaccinated or not?

I have not been in this situation but it was a thought i had, I could be completely wrong so happy to delete if I am wrong.

I think the first booster was probably needed, anything after that is flogging a dead horse.

I think after this wave barring any nasty mutations COVID will become endemic to winter and only the at risk groups will be given annual boosters.

id say from februaruy 1st we will have 10pm curfew, thats what NYPHET will be happy with as its people in restauraunts who dont behave same way as people on a big sesh. so they will be happy enough to bring that in but id say everything else in hospitality offical rules will stay the same. cant see nightclubs open til mid june. they will be on about saving summer, unfortunatley we could see the nightclubs shut in late october and 10pm curfew again next winter. that would suit the medics really well, no late night A and E incidents, drunken violence after nightclubs etc. You get the feeling medics would be happy to see an 11pm curfew end of story for all hospitality in ireland. They believe people should just sit at a table drink 2 or 3 glasses of wine or 2 or 3 bottles of beer and head home, or go for dinner and glass of wine and home by 11pm. they seem to not be bothered as much with younger people having parties in houses where they can drink bottles of wine and vodka and take ecstasy and coke all night, seem happier with that than having it happen in a nightclub. I would say the likes of Galway Race week really drives them mad, where you have all ages acting like teenagers, 17-50 year olds!

they can think what they like but nothing bar an unrestricted full opening is justified.

Anyway RTE have asked the HSE for a breakdown of the numbers of who is in hospital with covid and who is in hospital because of covid.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2022/0112/1273204-hse-hospitals-covid/

The cat will be out of the bag I'm sure as I've always been convinced the numbers were inaccurate - in fact a sham to perpetuate the whole hysteria and rule by decree that we have endured.

This could be a government ploy to cut the legs off NPHET scaremongering

Interesting question - did NPHET have this info all the time and refused to release it?

you nailed it. I have a firm belief your analysis is correct . there is control of information to control the message and process.

if it was clear that most of those hospital cases and ICU cases would be there anyway this would have ended in the summer of 2020.

That's correct, employers can't ask about your vaccination status barring a change in legislation happening.

People can sue the manufacturers to their hearts content as part of the FDA full approval process and the EMA Conditional Marketing Authority (it's literally there on the site describing what CMA is), not sure why people keep pushing this as a point.

did you link the wrong post? - i didn't mention suing anybody

but in reply - this is the response in the European parliament - the answer is probably not to suing pharma.

question

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/E-9-2020-004950_EN.html

Answer

As defined by the Product Liability Directive(1), any defect will need to be established before the competent court with a proof of the damage, the defect and the causal relationship between defect and damage.

The Commission assumes that the second question refers to a situation where a company is not held liable due to a hidden defect.

Article 7 (e) of the Product Liability Directive provides that ‘the producer shall not be liable as a result of this directive if he proves: that the state of scientific and technical knowledge at the time when he put the product into circulation was not such as to enable the existence of the defect to be discovered’. If the company is not held liable, it will not be obliged to pay compensation.

The COVID-19 vaccines advance purchase agreements provide for Member States to indemnify the manufacturer for possible liabilities incurred only under specific conditions set out in the agreement. In all other conditions not defined in the agreements, Member States will not be obliged to indemnify the manufacturer.