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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 38,345 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    more BS reporting and have myself to blame for looking at it 🙄

    Massive boost If this was to happen but nope not happening



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭scrips


    This was asked a couple of days ago on here but with no definitive answer as far as I could see. Anyone know if the HSE will definitely use positive antigen test results to give a covid Recovery Cert? Is this likely at all? I'd be reluctant to go through the whole rigmarole of testing & tracing if there wasn't a promise of a Covid-19 Recovery Cert for testing positive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    I dont take issue with the HSE sharing that with Nphet. Not sharing that on the official HSE website is my gripe. It seems that Nphet acts as a Politburo the same concerning government with 'asking' the CMO what they should do.



  • Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh




  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Positive news. Lets hope so.

    'Prof Nolan said there ‘won’t be a sharp descent’ in cases after the peak, but a levelling off.' Where the hell would he get that calculation from given the sharp rise and fall in other countries including the UK now? Never mind, the man is not to be taken seriously. Too bad it continues to hit the news..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭cannonballTaffyOjones



    Look at the best case scenario v the actual scenario ... it's an absolute f*cking disgrace what they are doing ...


    OF course the covidians will be saying it's because of the lockdown in NL...



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,465 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    It could affect the worry index. The deliberate obfuscation of this info by Holohan with his 5% nonsense took some neck which is no surprise from him. Of course very little blowback from our media.

    It is not his job or at least it shouldn't be his job to try and frighten the nation by inventing bullsh!t stats.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,583 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    For the second time recently, I'm in agreement with you. Although I do think the government have these numbers too.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Looks like case numbers have peaked, as test positivity rates are coming down.

    This is the one where Government did nothing, just stood off and let nature take its course. The spike curve will look very similar to last year's, when they locked us down.

    It's almost as if Restrictions don't actually do anything....



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Not to go off topic but, on the subject of vaccines and boosters...

    I have never had any health issues, not overweight, lead a relatively healthy lifestyle with no family history of health problems. When I got the booster, I was in bed for a day with chest pains. They can say what they want but, that is not normal!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,278 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Anecdotally, I have heard of quite a few people getting the **** kicked out of them with the booster while the first two shots were relatively mild.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Same...There is a guinea pig vibe to all of this



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭MOR316


    This may shock a lot of posters on here and that absolute turnip Styo Speedman on Twitter but, here is the fundamental truth...

    We're not God! We're human beings! We cannot stop the impossible so stop trying!



  • Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    This is by no means a criticism of your choice whatsoever but I find it baffling that you took the booster anyway, surely knowing on some level that you don't need to because, as you stated you are quite fit and healthy.

    Lots of people I know are in the exact same boat. They just went along with it because it was offered.

    It's so strange to me hearing people, including in this thread, say things like "that's it I got my booster but no more, that's the last one now."

    Who are they fooling?



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    They did the 5pm closure after they opened up too soon in summer/autumn. A 180 degree turnaround in december. But that was during Delta. Hospital numbers still going down there despite Omicron taking over. There are a lot of people now demanding the 5pm closure to be scrapped.

    The more Omicron data comes out the better it looks.

    It is milder and that is not simply because of immunity and vaccinations like some continue to insist upon.

    How long can health officials hold on to the old narrative? It is tipping on all fronts outside their domain and even inside..



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Well in my case, I had to get it as I am travelling to the States soon and my "vaccine cert" would have been deemed void so. They only let you in if you're vaccinated and all is up to date. Same with bars, restaurants, theatres etc over there

    If it wasn't for that, I wouldn't have gotten it. Pointless otherwise



  • Registered Users Posts: 620 ✭✭✭aidoh


    I get it. Same reason I took the "first" vaccine myself. Hopefully the States will be better craic than here!


    Michael Martin is apparently on the Late Late tomorrow to give a coronavirus update.

    There's a small possibility that he could be aiming to soften the country up for an actual relaxation of restrictions. By God I hope that's the case.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭MOR316


    You've no idea how happy I am that it's the actual Taoiseach and not Tony Holohan again.

    In years to come, the media circle jerk of Tony Holohan will not be looked upon fondly by the majority



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    I’m sure Tubridy will tear into him. Ask him all the hard questions. Make him squirm. Right?



  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭cannonballTaffyOjones


    Exactly same here, I got it as I need it to travel to Netherlands next month...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 226 ✭✭cannonballTaffyOjones


    Yep, and the fact that it generally doesn't effect the lungs, just stays as an upper resp. infection - this is a game changer!

    I know of unvaccinated people that got it and not a bother on them.


    This booster campaign is pointless waste of time - for younger non vulnerable people at least.



  • Registered Users Posts: 622 ✭✭✭mikekerry


    About as much chance as that happening as they have of ditching the discrimination certs anytime soon i.e. none



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    RTE patting themselves on the back for asking the HSE to make a distinction between "with" and "from" after TWO **** YEARS is some special sort of gaslighting bullshit.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,268 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Oh, that explains why the fully approved product to be labelled "Comirnaty" isn't being used in the US yet despite being approved months ago. only the supposedly the same but "legally distinct" EUA pfizer biontech label is available. Clever bastards these pharma companies.



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    I find it strange how many dont understand that the "with not from" covid is a simple representation of the proportion of the population who have covid. If 10% of the population have covid, you would expect 10% of the hospital admissions for all other causes to have incidental covid. Similarly you would would only expect 1% of the population to have incidental covid when 1% of the population have covid. So it should be a surprise to no one when we have 20k plus cases a day that the proportion of incidental admissions goes up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,690 ✭✭✭Allinall




  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    It's not a simple representation of the proportion of the population who have covid because we're not just talking about admissions. If there is a covid outbreak in a hospital, either because of cross contamination or a missed infection, then it will spread within that facility and infect more people such that the number of people "with" rather than "from" covid ends up higher than in the general population where people aren't in close quarters a couple of hundred people at a time 24/7. We know this from the (less transmissible) norovirus outbreaks that happen in hospitals every year.

    And regardless of how strange you find it, there are a large number of people who don't understand that there is a "with not from" distinction, and our national media patting themselves on the back for asking about it after two years is **** ridiculous.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,877 ✭✭✭Russman


    But what difference does it make though ? (genuinely asking, as I've wondered for months and just can't logically see it)

    If someone in hospital has COVID, they need to be isolated and dealt with differently. If the HSE have XX amount of "beds" (for want of a better phrase) that are suitable for a COVID positive patient, available, and lets say there's 1,000 of them in use today, leaving whatever the balance is, still available. It doesn't really matter how or why someone in one of these beds got it, they're still using up a finite COVID resource. Surely that's the whole point, that the HSE can cope with whatever the number is of COVID positive patients, and at a point in time there's an amount if these being used up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,478 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Fundamentally, we are all having our lives affected in order to help stop people dying from covid.

    If they are not dying from covid, but in fact are dying from something else, then that is extremely relevant.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    The difference it makes is the level of fear that people have about Covid, which has an impact on their mental wellbeing, their standard of living and (most likely the reason it has been the ignored elephant in the room for so long) people's willingness to comply with various restrictions.

    If 40% of people in hospital with covid are there with incidental cases after going in for other reasons, that is a very different thing to 99% of people being there on supportive oxygen because of severe covid pneumonia.

    If you are happy with the bare minimum "people in hospital with covid" number, good for you. But this country is ours, the health service is paid for by us, this government is elected to represent us, and we have a right to know the full picture when we are living under emergency legislation and diktats.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



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