What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Do left-wing people generally think immigration is a good thing because it provides cheap labour? I don’t think they think of immigration in those terms at all tbh.

When I was asked by @Fandymo “what are the benefits to Ireland of importing, or letting drains on the economy stay here?”, cheap labour is undoubtedly one of the benefits.

The other benefits to Ireland include, but are not limited to the administration of State welfare supports and all the employment in the public and private sector as a result of that, providing employment opportunities for Irish people in Irish society, which increases the demand for childcare, which increases the demand for childcare service providers who’s business model is dependent upon cheap labour and subsidies from Government, cos childcare provision ain’t cheap -

I can’t say I’m all that curious as to why all the earlier posters who brought up concerns about child welfare earlier in the thread, aren’t up in arms about the paltry fine of €4,000 for three breaches of childcare legislation -

They don’t care, because their concerns are merely feigned concern, nothing more than clutching at straws when they don’t have a legitimate argument against either immigration or multiculturalism for reasons that are unique either to immigrants or to culture.

I’m not a socialist, nor am I a communist, so when asked the question, I don’t have an issue with pointing out the benefit to Ireland in economic terms at least, of immigration and multiculturalism.

I’m also not a leftie 🤨

I never said there was anything good about people not working? That’s an entirely different question. I don’t support the idea of the Welfare State in any case, but the question was relating to the benefit to Ireland of importing, or letting drains on the economy stay here.

I’m assuming you expect a response which is at least grounded in reality as it is, and not just how you would like it to be?

I may be alone on this but the often lauded EUs free movement of people is a disaster on a lot of fronts, we've opened up our country to over 450 million people , we'll be a landmass of economic units ,interchangeable units of labour in the near future with no real identity.

Eh? Irish people are EU citizens?

There's a ton of people who moved here for economic reasons especially from Eastern europe and the presence of large multinationals, but that even goes right down to farm work, they don't want to be Irish, they're here for one reason only, as that number goes up of course its going to have an effect on the identity of a place,even walking down the main street of were I live you're nearly twice as likely to hear a foreign language than an Irish person, its radically changed. Some might consider that a good thing, that we're all part of the EU club so all the same but i don't and many were I live don't either.

I think that Klaz was more in favor of hi-rise housing than covering the Country in concrete TBH. But the minute Hi-Rise is mentioned, Ballymun is quoted as the best reason not to "repeat the mistakes of the past", Then its end of story, none the less, there does seem to be an increase in higher building in the city, not tower's by any means, just an increase in the Nr of floors. But its a start, I guess.

Likewise Klaz, I've lived in hi-rise apartment blocks too. , properly maintained , lifts serviced and grounds and the building itself kept spic and span. And most important, unruly tenants given short shrift. Worked out fine.

I really don’t see how building quality apartment towers would do anything to ease any of the problems relating to the housing crisis tbh.

I’m allowing even for the idea that there IS a housing crisis in the first place, and that there IS a growing number of single people (or childless relationships), who would either be renting or owning the property as they don’t want the hassle of owning a house… and still I’m wondering how would that address the growing number of people on housing lists around the country for example?

The objections to these developments generally come from within the surrounding community, whether it’s residents groups or local politicians who represent residents who are living in the area who decided to buy their homes.

I just think your idea will make a couple of property developers such as Johnny Ronan even wealthier, but it doesn’t appear to do anything in relation to community or city development?

It’s why I was agreeing with your earlier post that people are reluctant to commute to work. There are plenty of ghost estates dotted around the country which are evidence of the fact that what’s actually required isn’t further population density in cities, but rural development in order to provide infrastructure outside of densely populated areas where living outside of the city becomes viable - the infrastructure has to be in place first before people can be expected to think about relocating outside of cities where they have easy access to all amenities, hospitals, schools and so on.

My God!!! He'll be calling for us to burn the Reichstag next !! 🙄