Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Why don't you PM him to find out? It's pretty common knowledge that you don't call out moderating decisions on thread.

I didn't. The post you quoted isn't the same as what you typed. Are you really oblivious to your twisting of my words?

I must be bored because I'm going through my old posts on this thread.

On 31st August 2021 I was arguing with another poster that our October 22nd opening would be disrupted by a winter surge and restrictions would be kept.

Lets see what was said....

growleaves:

There are always going to be variants and surges of mostly asymptomatic case numbers. There are thousands of variants. There is a flu season literally every year.

If there is another surge in mid-October then we are already committed to reversing our new reopening plan.

Is this 'pessimism'?

is_that_so:

Where is this surge going to come from with nearly 80% of the total population vaccinated? I accept that some people will see a pint with a sip out of it as half empty but you need to provide justifications for what you imagine otherwise you're doing nothing more than another round of confirmation bias.

growleaves:

Every winter people are together in enclosed spaces and pass respiratory viruses to each other. These vaccines do not give sterilising immunity and so don't prevent transmission. Many are in denial about this though the mystery of why we are most vaccinated with second highest cases is no mystery.

There *will* be a 'surge' of asymptomatic case numbers this winter.

Also from 31st August 2021:

seamus:

The majority of the vocal on this thread have been absolutely convinced that no plan would ever come; that it would be strung out, delay after delay, into Winter and back out the far side again.

Of course, now that that a roadmap with actual dates is here they'll all pivot to a combination of, "It's not over till it's over. October is too far away, of course they'll change their mind"

growleaves:

We had a plan with actual dates in May 2020.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

Fingers crossed you are right and me and others here are mistaken.

I need to get out of the city...all these locals having lock ins..I'm extremely jealous!..any around cork.. pm me haha..and my rule when drinking, is no politics, religion or covid talk allowed haha 😆😆

What have people adapted to if there's no change?

They're good drinking rules

Surely after xmas now that everyone has either had it or knows a relative that had it now realizes that this is a sore throat and stuffy nose for a few days and we can now get on with things? i genuinely can't listen to another work colleague having got this and have to put on the faux concern.

There are of course still the few people everyone knows that won't meet up or go outside etc. because of fear of the "case numbers" who can't be reasoned with. (these people usually know several people who recovered from it no bother).

Even minor social interactions are shown to result in most people we know catching covid, therefore whatever they are trying to do with this this 8pm close, gyms/shops still open thing really isn't doing any good if they want low case numbers and a total elimination of social interaction that would be needed to stop spread of this current variant isn't justified to stop someone getting the above mentioned 3 day stuffy nose.

I think what needs to happen now that antigen tests were really normalized over X-mas amongst people who maybe weren't really doing them (working from home etc) who probably were forced to do them before family gatherings is that the next NPHET advice is just to utilise anitgen tests before any gatherings and stay away if have a cold then get on with the reopening, scrap the other non-sense guidelines. I don't mind if i have to still wear a mask on a bus/shop as long as not the pubs or any social setting.

Hopefully some guidance along those lines will make those terrified of their own shadow to get on with it since they always listen to Tony.

My last foreign trip before lockdown was to Nova Gorcia in Slovenia for a work trip/jolly up. We went to a few pubs in the evening time but what struck me was that there was literally no one on the streets after 9pm, I'm talking 24 Hours later stuff. I asked the guy that arranged the trip who had been there on numerous occasions. He stated that they still haven't got out of the mindset of the Eastern Bloc communist rule.

A few weeks back, I suggested that you needed to assess your relationship with alcohol. You said you didn't have a problem and you were a pub goer for the social aspect. Reading that ^^^ it doesn't sound like you are only there for the social aspect. You feel the need to get the drink in.

Gaslighting. "I never said all those things, in fact whats happening now is exactly what I predicted."

Jaysis

None of that talks about an unwinding of restrictions in Spring 22. All it does is repeat things that were known since the start - that viruses like this eventually burn themselves out to where the risk is minimal for the overwhelming majority of people, like say influenza.

The difference is we knew that to be the case with Covid by summer 2020 and should have adapted and targeted our responses accordingly, but yet we dragged it out another 18 months (and still counting).

Yeah, two of the ones on my list for this year have been postponed twice already. I just don't see culture as solely about gigs. Gigs did happen though, just not the ones you had tickets for...so I stand by my statement.

...and by that I mean, "ticking along" not "ticking along nicely" as I was misquoted by Bucky.