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BoJo banished - Liz Truss down. Is Rishi next for the toaster? **threadbans in OP**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭AllForIt


    Some good news for the UK on the Covid front.

    I do recall back in summer Boris lifted mandatory masks wearing at a time when cases were rising - which caused some concern, but noting happened. Point being he is going to get credit for not being as restrictive as say Wales.

    I can't provide a link for the following because I heard it on UK radio - but a poll reports that only 5% of the UK public are following this story at all. I wouldn't be surprised if that's true as the level of saturation coverage of this which is painfully repetitive is a right turn off.

    I stopped myself from saying this before xmas but the level of outrage over this has been suspiciously OTT. One woman I just heard speaking to Iain Dale said she died 3 times in hospital on the day of the party, the complaint being her relatives weren't allowed to be with her had she died. It's just that bit comical now and I'm not really convinced that the county is really as outraged as you'd think it is judging by social media or the News. As said before the Tory's has better be sure what their doing if they intend to get rid of Boris before the next election or they might regret it. Maybe that's what Labour are hoping will happen, that getting rid of Boris will do the Tory government more harm than good.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    The "only 5% of people are paying attention" argument is a fairly standard defensive line - a variant on "nobody cares about this outside the Westminster bubble".

    On this occasion (as on so many others), it's balls:




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,604 ✭✭✭quokula


    By "nothing happened" do you mean they sustained a much higher continuous rate of hospitalisation and death than any neighbouring countries? Because that's what the outcome of them not taking proper health measures was. Sure, they've let the virus burn through the population more quickly and they might be out the other side a month or so before us, but it's cost thousands upon thousands of lives to get there.

    Ireland went from a 7 day average of 2 deaths per day on 15th June to 4 deaths per day on 15th October. In the same period the UK went a from a 7 day average of 9 deaths per day to 120 deaths per day. So while Ireland's death rate doubled the UK's death date increased 13 fold. But yeah, let's call that "nothing happened"



  • Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭virginmediapls



    Dangerously close to anti-mask nonsense there !



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,736 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    He’s finished at this stage. It also looks like he may even lose his own Westminster seat at the next General Election in the UK.

    I am on a UK-based forum and the prevailing view from the seasoned posters there is that Boris is toast - not because of his gross incompetence and disastrous mishandling of Brexit, not even because of the wanton disregard he and his ilk have for the hoi polloi struggling with losing loved ones to Covid whilst they party away regardless - it’s the repeated denials, bare-faced lies and backpedaling on the revelations that show he has nothing but complete contempt for the British electorate.

    The issue now is not if Boris will get the chop - he will - but who would replace him and what a very disorganised Labour party might do to properly capitalise on this scandal.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I don't have enough faith in the education of the average English voter to recognise the form of populism that Boris encapsulates as dangerous TBH. Their culture and history relies too much on propaganda IMHO for them to be able to counter populism when they experience it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    And by the way that's not simply an opinion, it's a fact based on brexit and Boris voting histories.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 91,409 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Oh noes , poor old Boris will have to hide in the fridge until next week because an unnamed relative has tested positive.

    If it was a soap opera you'd have to laugh at the plot.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭The Raging Bile Duct


    'Mr Johnson cancelled a planned trip to a vaccination clinic in Lancashire today, despite official guidance being that you do not have to isolate if you have been double-vaccinated, even if you come into contact with someone who is positive for the virus.'

    Doesn't follow the rules when he's meant to, follows them when he doesn't need to. What an absolute joke. He's using any excuse he can to hide from probing questions from the press.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,677 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Even the Torygraph getting in on it now! Booze being snuck in to Downing Street in suitcases





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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    The Tories just have to count on Labour being it's usual arrogant, snobbish and sanctimonious disorganized, infighting, contradictory and often insane self.


    The Tories will win again not because they are good or nice but because Labour are the way they are and working class communities will hold their nose and anything to keep labour out.

    It's damage limitation.


    That's on Labour, it is some achievement to make the Tories a better option.

    Labour are too comfortable in opposition, talking to each other, absolutely no interest in power or implementing Change. They had at one stage, long ago.



  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭MTU


    He delivered brexit, no man or woman or a man who defines themselves as female and same if female the other way could have done it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    This is unadulterated rubbish. By the time Johnson became PM, all any PM had to do to deliver Brexit was nothing at all. The UK was on a default course to a no-deal Brexit, and action was required to avoid that.

    Johnson's achievement was not delivering Brexit. It was delivering Brexit on the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement. But even the Withdrawal Agreement had been largely settled before he came along as PM; his particular contribution, the final piece of the puzzle, was the Northern Ireland Protocol.

    So, Johnson's contribution to Brexit was the one aspect of Brexit that Brexiters are most unhappy about.



  • Posts: 533 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Brexit as a referendum was delivered during David Cameron’s term, driven by an array of actors and the machinations of the exit were delivered during Theresa May’s government. Johnson stabbed her in the back and then waffled on with a series of catch phrases like “oven ready”.

    All that’s happened since Johnson took over has been a load of floundering and tabloid headline generation. The utter incompetence of all of it was masked by the COVID crisis / disaster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,492 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Isn't "arrogant, snobbish, sanctimonious, disorganised, infighting, contradictory and often insane" pretty much a description of the contemporary Tory Party?

    Or should I say, of the contemporary Tory Work Event?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Johnson argued to "Get Brexit Done", and that he achieved.

    Nobody is saying that the final version of Brexit was perfect, because it wasn't. But it approximated in the right direction, and you appear to ignore the fact that, for many years, there was a concerted and very believable movement to overturn Brexit - both inside and outside parliament.

    Johnson won a majority on his promise to push Brexit through and end the years of previous strife and debates about 2nd referendums.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,571 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    When this chapter closes, courtesy of Dominic Cummins will boris resent his missus who insisted that dominic be given the road?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,625 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Theresa May was the one who objectively delivered Brexit. All Johnson had to do was cave to the EU and that was it.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I suspect he will be glad that its over because he didn't realise that as PM he would be required to do a little work. As a former PM he will be able to do the speech circuit, get lots of money and do bugger all. That lifestyle will suit the lazy sod!



  • Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    More like a slice of giant lemon muffin than a piece of toast, in my considered opinion.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It is but they just have to be less so than Labour.

    That's not a positive reflection on the Tories but on how jaw droppingly S517 Labour are..


    Labour like opposition, it's safe,easy and they can concentrate on wrestling control of the party from each other and falling out over the latest theological argument they are having.

    They have no interest in power.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    And you seem to be ignoring the fact that there is now a concerted and very believable movement to overturn the Brexit deal, from the very people that signed it. This is a deal that the country effectively voted on by way of the 2019 GE, but which now they are trying to throw out without any recourse to the democracy they claim to want to protect.

    He got Brexit done, then when the reality of what he had achieved became clear he tried to weasle out of it.

    You can't claim he got it done, and also that he now needs to change it. He either got it done, in which they should just get on with it, or he didn't and thus he failed in the one item you want to give him credit for.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,625 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    The Labour party itself certainly wants power. It's MP's want to govern and those who still vote for it absolutely want the Tories out.

    The issue is the activists and ideological purists who'll stay at home rather than vote for someone they deem imperfect (or heretical). You can tweet, wail and campaign all you want but the only poll that matters is the one in a booth.

    It's a recurring trope throughout electoral history that nobody destroys the left better than the left itself. I f*cking despise Owen Jones, the Corbynistas and the rest of the champagne socialists with a passion but I still voted in 2019. That's where the difference is.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    He got Brexit done.

    That's all I argued - thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Wow, we are down to quote mining? Really?

    So you accept that he got Brexit done really badly, that he made a mess of it. Hardly the argument you think you are making.

    Nobody, not Johnson, not the government, not the media, not the public at large, think Brexit is done. The fact they have to keep repeating it shows it to be the case. If it was really done, they wouldn't have to continually tell everyone that it is done, despite all the evidence



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,826 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Brexit is not complete but it is not a topic that people want to reopen, it's considered settled in that regard.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,622 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Except for the government itself. They never stop talking about it and are working hard to try to reopen it.

    What is clear is that the pubic want it done, the government said it was done, but the government know that the Brexit they delivered it a disaster and so they need to reopen it.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,625 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Brexit is complete. The UK is objectively outside the EU and this is all Brexit can be defined as. People might want to leave it buried but it will come back as a topic and in the not too distant future.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    This is where Johnson has an issue. Brexit is done in a technical sense, but nobody is happy with it. Yes they are out, but they are still under all sort of rules and obligations and now have split off part of the union (in some peoples eyes).

    Does Johnson really want to be known as the person that got Brexit done, when everybody, including himself, hates it?

    Is Johnson done? His authority and any semblance of respect is gone. He is now totally beholden to the likes of Truss, Patel etc to prop him up. He knows as well as anyone that he cannot count of that support and that his time is now in the hands of others. Much the same way as he treated TM funnily enough.



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