Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I think alot of it is to do with the booster..you can't get booster shot if you have had it, so your cert may run out.

Non vaccinated people should be able to get it too and get a cert...

Of course they should just get rid of the cert and they wouldn't have this headache..

Only reason people want the cert. They are afraid they won't have access to restaurants etc if they need to update it! Madness

They won't be included in today's figures but bear in mind today's figures are from the last few days, or even weeks possibly... Plus that's 2,500 tests that won't be included in results from the coming days

Yes indeed , I personally don't think they'll be included for quite some time if at all, the information is not verifiable and realistically can't or should not be used in official data statistics. As it stands the official numbers can't be relied on, bit of a farce really .

Funnily enough I can remember your tour around the same time promoting acquired herd immunity with you being asked many times since for just one example where it has been successful with this virus, and not as much as a cheep from you.

Seeing as you appear to be a bit of a Latin scholar, perhaps you could tell us what the Latin phrase primum non nocere or primum nil nocere means in relation to the field of healthcare, and then enlighten us as to how that applies to chasing herd immunity ?

Well that's the law in Ireland as it stands. Hopefully it will be changed soon and restrictions get lifted.

Ultimately they'd rather you got the booster than the cert. After all they have a lot of vaccine stocks to use up.

That's my thinking too..but there is a gap for some that aren't eligible for the booster as they caught vovid..

It says to wait 3 months I think after testing positive.. so if not officially positive, ( no pcr confirmed) people might get booster anyway...and I'm not sure if there are any risks involved in doing that..its all a shambles really.

There are cheaper ways depending on what you need the cert for

Will you get up the yard. I do not need an especially good memory to remember you as one of the more enthusiastic supporters of the Gsiecke/Tegnell strategy and when it came to answering questions on that strategy, nothing has change since.

What the original poster has to do with me, I have no idea. Unless that it is something to do with the horrors of lockdown preventing the OP getting married.

I didn`t lecture anyone on Sweden. I did point out a few misconceptions people had about the Swedish strategy and the data to back it up on domestic spending, Sweden`s GDP, the real unemployment figures when furlough was taken into account, a prediction on their excess deaths for 2020, (which I did get slightly wrong by being under the final figure far as I recall) and from Sweden`s antibody test results that they were nowhere nearer herd immunity than Spain and France who were using lockdown, (where Spain especially for it`s epicentre compared to Sweden`s had better results), and neither France or Spain were even dreaming of claiming herd immunity was achievable.

There was no mop up operation. There was no need for one when Sweden published their excess deaths for 2020 which from their own figures, even with their 28 day reporting rule, showed they were the same as their Covid-19 deaths for the year. Neither was there any need for this damaging control you mention. That is unless you believe that pointing out that countries that initially went the herd immunity route had multiple deaths per capita compared to their neighbours who used lockdown was damage control. That wasn`t damage control, just stating fact, simple as.

No need to provide scholarly literature on lockdown as opposed to Sweden`s initial strategy before their local authorities put a stop to it. Already done, unless you do not understand the meaning of the Latin phrase primum non nocere in relation to the field of healthcare.

Covid pass will be required for nightclubs, events, cinemas, concert halls and theatres from Jan 28th, but will be gone from regular restaurants/bars.

The 17K-20K in official daily cases suggests we may as well wait till the end of the month anyway. They will be meeting next week and the end of the month is a week or so later. That gives the government enough time to plot the exit from this and gives dates for it. The signs are good.

No idea what you're asking here. It's not me anyway it's all down to NPHET.

There is no justification since data from Israel showed that both vaccinated and unvaccinated spread the infection. At this point its about boosters but they dont want the unvaccinated getting clearance by getting a 'recovered' status and a cert, even though they actually have higher immunity against Omicron than a boostered vaccinated person that hasnt had the infection yet.

It is about punishment and compliance. The inbetweeners are falling through the cracks, those clearly morally entitled to a cert because both vaccinated and recently infected by Omicron. Oh, the irony.

The booster thing has got to stop. Scrap that, the Covid cert has got to go. England ahead of the posse? I hope so.