Anyone thinking of emigrating?

There's no such thing as "nostalgia" for just a few years ago.

Fuck all was different. Jan 2015 was only 84 months ago.

If you you said 1994 and 1995, you might have point.

Cheap labour and driving down wages/conditions has always been a love of the right. That's why they are in favour of immigration. They may talk the big talk about being "anti" immigration, but the fact of the matter is they have always been well disposed to it. It's a neo-liberal policy that's pursued by the right in every country they rule in. Yet there's a persistence that it is somehow the left that drive this policy who, in fairness, are interested in the free movement of people. But for vastly different reasons.

If you have a degree then look into doing a TEFL course and set your sights on SE Asia, Thailand, Vietnam or Cambodia would be good options.

Wages for native English speaking teachers there are about $1200 per month and quite a few schools there will provide you with accommodation.

It'd be well worth your while to save up a few quid before you go as an "oh sh1t" fund. My understanding is that you can also continue to pay PRSI contributions remotely while abroad so you would still be eligible for full state pension at retirement age.

The 'government' isn't the politicians you elect, it's the many thousands of public sector workers, who in Ireland, are amongst the most highly paid in the world, and are always looking for significant pay rises. If you have ever wondered why this country has such a high cost of living - there it is - plus the silly levels of social welfare spending. To fund every public sector pay rise and boondoggle, like pensions, taxes are increased to fund it, or expenditure on services are cut to fund it.

"But if the UK public sector is full of "fat cats", the Irish public sector is full of "morbidly obese cats"."

https://www.theguardian.com/business/ireland-business-blog-with-lisa-ocarroll/2010/dec/06/ireland-public-sector-fat-cats

Let's get down to brass tacks. The main reason for young people to emigrate right now is housing cost and availability.

It seems to me moving to another lower cost city or town in Ireland could be a better option than hot footing it overseas. Might work out better for families too.

I'm planning on moving back and more and more I'm thinking of finding a smaller town or city to move to evne though originally I was set on the big smoke. It seems to me places such as Wexford or Waterford (as examples ) or nicer suburbs of Cork could offer a lot of value especially in these days of remote working. I would even contemplate parts of Northern Ireland .

Remote working or pursuing a career or business that allows you to live in a cheaper more relaxed place...

A lot of these economic ssues such as tax , insurance , medical , housing costs do concern me so that is why I'm trying to build a warchest before moving back.

I should add living in a low tax country on a high wage is a good way to put together that warchest. I have heard of teachers going to work in the middle East to do that and it's a sensible strategy .

Portugal looks appealing to me also in the long term.

I'd say Dublin isn't per se an ugly city but the main issue is housing, housing and again housing no matter if it's flats or houses for families. There is simply no place to live, rents for a one bedroom are beyond reach, even for one in the 40's and 50's, that is if one is lucky enough to get a rental contract, any rental contract. And who wants to live in a flat share with a bunch of strangers during Covid 19? Even London in the UK and all the issues around Brexit in the UK still make the UK attractive to go to, and renting in London is cheap and easy compared to Dublin.

If you're planning on leaving Dublin I wouldn't blame you at all and if you're young then international experience never hurts, and Dublin will also be there in 10 or 20 years, - that is if property and rental prices normalize.

I am surprised that IT companies like Salesforce, Microsoft, Google or Facebook are attracting talent. From what I've heard they have high turnover of staff, just because of the housing crisis, and these companies don't really pay that badly. It's just that Dublin has become unlivable with the sky high rents.

I haven't been there lately, I must admit. I was in Dublin last in 2017 and finding rental accommodation was impossible no matter how low your expectations were.

To judge that Dublin is a horrible place to live means you have to find a place to live in first to come to that judgement. I find that rather impossible.

Renting a studio apartment in London UK, even places like Clapham or Richmond is way easier, and I have first hand experience.

The fundamental problem in Dublin is that with low taxes they attract big IT players from the US to set up office in the city, but then there is no real housing for their employees. Thus I understand that people are pissed of about that.

For sale maisonette in Hanioti 100 sqm.

plot of exclusive use 150 sqm.

2 bedrooms living room kitchen bathroom and wc.

Furnished with all electrical appliances.

Drainage.

Parking.

It has its own water.

Mosquito screens.

Individual heating.

300 m from the beach.

€220,000

https://www.vdrealestate.gr/properties/55-%CF%80%CF%89%CE%BB%CE%B5%CE%AF%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%B9-%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%B6%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AD%CF%84%CE%B1-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7-%CF%87%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B9%CF%8E%CF%84%CE%B7.html

The current housing crisis in Ireland can hardly be described as a high standard of living, but foreigners coming into the country lured by employment opportunities at various American IT businesses certainly don't know that, plus they are also young, straight out of university and probably a bit naïve (as we all were when we were young) and oblivious to the housing crisis. They end up living in some house or flat share which can often only be found via various facebook groups. The jobs they fill usually require foreign and native language skills, thus they don't really compete with the Irish on the job market.

Also these American IT companies pay for relocation ( sometimes up to 9000 Euros ) provided that their employees stay at least for one year. After one year they usually move on due to lack of housing, getting sick of the property market and the internal tricks and games by their managers and/or hard to achieve performance targets. Thus the high turnover of employees at Oracle, Microsoft, Facebook, Google and Salesforce.

Among the winners are either Irish landlords charging high rents, the Irish tax man cashing in on tax of revenue made from renting or Irish recruitment companies having recurring business year on year.

I'd agree with the fact that certain parts of Dublin are dirty and grimy, but that's in any city in Europe. Back in 2017 I certainly never felt unsafe in Dublin, however I've always felt that "if push came to shove I'd have no support and nobody would care" kind of feeling. Public transport and Dublin Bus is not very reliable, but the LUAS is certainly good.

The prices in supermarkets tend to be higher than in the UK, or other EU countries, rents certainly are very high, even higher than London or Paris. Opportunities with big name American IT companies, yes, but it's mostly "inside sales roles" with hard to reach sales targets, or internal political sales targets.

I haven't been to Dublin recently, but back in 2017 finding a one bedroom apartment for rent in Dublin was a nightmare. I recall queues outside of every apartment when there was a viewing organized by an estate agent, and often I was viewing with 30 or 40 others. I could hardly call this a high standard and neither was the quality of construction of the property, it was actually below average by EU standards. Maybe it's easier now, during the pandemic, I don't know.

The subject Dublin housing crisis sure doesn't get a lot of coverage, and as google search results are concerned, they can give results as they please. It's called "Search Engine Optimization". After all Google invested in Ireland, thus they have to tell the world that the investment is a great choice.

I am only guessing that some apartments or a larger number of apartments are reserved by bigger corporations, not American IT companies, but financial companies on some right of first refusal basis to their employees relocating to Dublin.

I also doubt that 1600 Euros per month will get you a one bedroom in Dublin, I'd say, you're looking more at 1800 per month, if it's supposed to be something halfway decent. And then there are certainly "bidding wars" with several punters. With utter certainty, London, Paris and Frankfurt or Munich are offering more quality for money in this aspect and offer more culture and museums on top. Thus it doesn't surprise me, if the ongoing housing crisis is leading to thoughts of Irish people considering emigrating again.

Apparently things in Dublin are that bad that sex for rent seems to come up: ( I am not in doubt that this doesn't happen in other cities in the EU, but considering Dublin's exorbitant rents it doesn't surprise me)