Second Captains Part II

Confirmed alright:

I has a big happy.

I only started listening to FW last year and think its a great companion piece to SC. I've always wondered what was the deal with Lars' accent. He sounds VERY Irish...now we know.

What was the point of the lengthy segment on John Terry's twitter? Felt like it lasted half an hour...

Is the Isolating pod on a different feed now? No sign of Tuesdays edition.

This is the exact type of stuff I love the pod for. No idea what he's gonna come up with on a consistent basis!

Was just about to post this. Brilliant interview, need to read his article too.

Murph's summary of Djokovic was very well done too.

Just listening to yesterday's pod now and the news from Tullamore is ringing true here too. Coincidence of timing I know...

agree. The main problem is how flimsy the justice system is.

It's a horrible case, but the media overload on it has been OTT.

They dedicated 2/3rds of the News to it this evening, with people reporting live from the scene, followed by more coverage afterwards and wall to wall coverage elsewhere.

A truly horrible, tragic case, but I thought the level of coverage given to it was verging on the ridiculous.

Unsurprising really given the obsession with true crime podcasts/documentaries etc that has developed over recent times. Media are well aware of this.

Not sure i got the same vibe as you from it. Less men are bad more lots of women have been affected by these behaviours.

On The second captains weekly summary pod for non subbers the vibe/words from Ciaran was men have to wrestle with this and men have to be aware of what they put out in The world. The inference around all men sharing responsibility being fairly clear there no?

not sure If that differs from The comtent on The sub.

I havent heard the summary but have listened back to the subscription episode and cant find where Murph says what you're saying.

He says he read the Malachy Clerkin article a couple of years ago and then discussed it with his female family members. Asked them if the feel the same way and the said of course. They are all often afraid in variety of situations.

Eoghan follows up with reference to the rachel Hewitt thread and the runners world survey stats that give detail of women all over the world suffering a variety of abuses while running.

I haven't listened to this summary either and I agree with you if you are talking about the murder. However, if you are talking about women not running (or feeling safe doing other normal things), then every man (even good ones) have a duty to be more aware of how they portray themselves when out in the world, because of murders like this one.

One scenario, for example, you are jogging away minding your own business, but unbeknownst to you, you have been keeping pace with the woman in front of you. She, however, is hyper aware of you and has become uncomfortable with your presence.

One reason for why this murder has got such media attention is that a very large percentage of the population fear that this might happen to them.

It doesn't shock me that it's big news, it is a shocking event, but that the level of coverage and the type of it is a bit prolonged and gratuitous and is more to do with the human interest aspects of the story.

For instance, there was a supposedly innocent man shot dead earlier this week in Dublin. It too was on the news and covered elsewhere in the media and rightly so - but how much coverage did that equally tragic case receive, relative to this one?

Both cases involve innocent people being killed - one is a news story, which will probably be shrugged and largely forgotten about, whereas one dominates the media for a number of days.

Some of the coverage and particularly the "think piece" opinions in the immediate aftermath of this have been, in my view, a bit clumsy and blunt, even if they mean well and aren't wholly wrong.

The framing of all discussion about this as being tied into violence against women is a bit of a flattening of a complex wider issue to do with violence in society in general.

wtf does that have to do with anything? There was a very very clear crossover between a tragedy that occurred, and a big piece they had literally only just done. Like, the two stories go completely hand in hand - it would have been really weird for them NOT to draw the comparison.

It was entirely in keeping that they would cover that story - for 5 fcking minutes - under the circumstances.

I think you're maybe coming at this a bit backwards - the point is not that women specifically out running are not safe, it's that women even doing something as innocuous as going for a run in broad daylight are seemingly not entirely safe. Like, it's a set of circumstances no-one should have to think twice about, and yet even that is beyond the realms of confident safety. (The point would be the same if the same thing happened while walking home from shopping in daylight).

I would love if they got Nigel Farage on to talk about it

Eoin quietly saying to Ken that the don't talk about gambling was cool. Probably something that would be cut out normally, but good to see they avoid talking about it.