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Newstalk: Off The Ball

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    #242
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118469536#Comment_118469536

    I thank you for taking such delicate care in not misgendering me.



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    #243
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118470477#Comment_118470477

    It's just been our luck that they so far have trended towards the Covid mutations being less harmful

    Viruses mutate and overall trend in the one direction. It's why people referenced multiple waves of Spanish Flu in 1918 and how we weren't out of the woods when we went down to 20 cases in one day in summer 2020. Viruses have always ended up mutating into a less harmful disease.

    And with Omicron, the whole "Vaccination is to protect others from getting ill, not just yourself" has been debunked considering its vaccinated people that are spreading the virus now with record numbers.



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    #244
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118470789#Comment_118470789

    Usernames with the word pussy in them is a part of the problem of rape and murder.....ok



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    #245
    Pussyhands
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118470459#Comment_118470459

    Please explain what **** I went on with last night? Links to posts would be great! Let everyone judge for themselves.

    Don't come in here spewing rubbish about other threads. Attack the post, not the poster.



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    #246
    Pussyhands
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118471420#Comment_118471420

    Haha

    Gotta love how it's "trust the experts" when it suits ye. Just the other week the whole country was blasting said experts when those experts said schools were safe!



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    #247
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118471657#Comment_118471657

    Linked to posts he says, knowing the posts were deleted and the thread closed....



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    #248
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118471626#Comment_118471626

    Medical people disagree with everything you are saying. I'm not going to waste time trying to debate you about it. People get educated and experienced in things for a reason.



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    #249
    Pussyhands
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118471793#Comment_118471793

    No idea what posts you're on about. The only things I posted in that thread is that the suspects facebook profile was already around the whatsapps.



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    #250
    Pussyhands
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118471801#Comment_118471801

    Experts get things wrong all the time. HSE paid out hundreds of millions in compensation because they get things horribly wrong.



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    #251
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118471806#Comment_118471806

    Is that the suspect that has been released and eliminated from Garda investigations? Sure he'd like to have a chat with you.

    I'm not discussing that thread any further on here.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118471809#Comment_118471809

    Next time you've a loved one who is unwell, bring them to a mechanic or hairdresser so.



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    #252
    Pussyhands
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118471812#Comment_118471812

    Yeah that's the lad alright. Why would he like to have a chat with me exactly? All I said was that the suspects facebook profile was being shared on whatsapps groups. Seems strange he'd want to speak with me when I wasn't revealing anything about him or sharing anything about him. I would have thought the hundreds of people liking posts threatening violence would be further up the list in people he'd like to see, than me.

    I had the NCT last year and the expert mechanic gave me an advisory to change a tyre as the tread depth was low. I check it myself often and there was quite a bit before to go before I reached the legal minimum. Only had to change the tyre a couple of months ago. I didn't listen to the expert mechanic and I'm still alive.

    It's a sad world we live in when someone on national radio can laugh about dismembering a player because he is pro choice.



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    #253
    Mr Burny
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118457551#Comment_118457551

    There’s always some agenda with them



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    #254
    Mr Burny
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    John Duggan on now engaging in self flagellation for being a man…..



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    #255
    Chucky Q
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479829#Comment_118479829

    Would they not just stick to the sport ?



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    #256
    Faugheen
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118479885#Comment_118479885

    Even when they stick to sport the same people here have a bitch about it.



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    #257
    Mr Burny
    Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Mr Burny


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118480600#Comment_118480600

    People are allowed to critique poor output



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    #258
    Faugheen
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118480797#Comment_118480797

    But it’s not poor output. You just don’t like it.



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    #259
    Mr Burny
    Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Mr Burny


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481110#Comment_118481110

    Nope. And you’re in her minority on that.



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    #260
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118480600#Comment_118480600
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118481110#Comment_118481110

    Why do you think it is some people go to such efforts to speak negatively about what is clearly a successful and competent show? And seem incapable of figuring out how to not listen to it given they hate it so much?

    OTB can improve in various ways but to read this thread, you'd swear it was little more than the quality of a transition year school radio project.



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    #261
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482292#Comment_118482292

    The Late Late Show is consistently one of the most watched shows on tv in Ireland yet majority of people would say it's poor.



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    #262
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482331#Comment_118482331

    Majority of people on here maybe. but the seem to fall in to the same fetishisation of bitterness.

    If this place was an accurate reflection of the real world, Peter Casey would be President.



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    #263
    Pussyhands
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482401#Comment_118482401

    So no one should be allowed criticise or dislike something that, by tv ratings etc, is class as good?



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    #264
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482444#Comment_118482444

    It's the continually watching it or listening to it while continually whining about it that's the problem.

    It's not like there aren't a gazillion other shows they can listen to in todays world of podcasts and streaming services. The fetishisation of negativity is weird.



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    #265
    Mr Burny
    Registered Users Posts: 151 ✭✭Mr Burny


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118460630#Comment_118460630

    Indeed. And very quite they were about the Callum Robinson situation last year.



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    #266
    Jayesdiem
    Registered Users Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482466#Comment_118482466

    It’s not though. On my podcast feed today, the panel show came up. I saw the words “John”, “Duggan” and “Djokovic” so I knew for a fact that this was a show I had to skip or else I’d be tearing what’s left of my hair out. I didn’t listen but I know well what Duggan would have said, how he said it and how he portrayed the case of evil Djokovic in general. The Brian O’Driscoll show on the other hand, I listened to yesterday because the wokeness was nowhere to be seen and all we had was cold, hard, excellent analysis of the rugby. No vaccines, no virtue signalling, no Covid, no racism, no self hatred.



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    #267
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482690#Comment_118482690

    No vaccines, no virtue signalling, no Covid, no racism, no self hatred.

    Sport impacts, and is impacted by all of these in some way or another (well the Vaccine, covid and racism anyway that is. The virtue signaling and self hatred only exists in the mind of some of the listeners).

    Any show discussing sports events without reference to items which are relevant to them is only giving half the picture.



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    #268
    Pussyhands
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482466#Comment_118482466

    Maybe people listen and like some of it yet also dislike some other things and that's what they prefer to talk about because people are more likely to complain about things than praise things?



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    #269
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482967#Comment_118482967

    because people are more likely to complain about things than praise things?

    Some people are.

    But the issue I have with that is that in relation to this thread it just starts and ends with the complaint. I don't understand why topics like that which are discussed on the show cannot be discussed on this or other threads in the context of how they are impacting or should or shouldn't impact sport. But, certainly on this thread, we never get any discussion/debate about the topic really, just condemnation for them having discussed it or held a particular view on it.

    Covid/Vaccines/racism are high interest topics the likes of which often have their own threads, but specific conversation about them in relation to sport generally gets lost in the bigger conversation and so there doesn't really end up being any debate about the topic focused in relation to sport.

    OTB frequently get contributors on who are well worth listening to or the topics is worth discussing, and we don't see a conversation arising out of that on here, they're generally not mentioned at all, but we had several posts about a tennis contributor focused only on her having the nerve to dislike Djokovic.



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    #270
    Pussyhands
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118482985#Comment_118482985

    Because often it's not the topic that I, and others, find ridiculous. The presenters and guests drive the narrative. So for example, the Djokovic conversation was terribly one sided. They could be accused of inciting violence to the man. "there's a non zero chance they storm the court and dismember him" quipped the guest while herself and Joe laughed.

    Joe then went on to say how he was curious to see what kind of reaction the crowd would give him, whether they'd boo or cheer him. Then Joe goes on to say "ah well I'm sure his hardcore fans will find some way of getting tickets". It was basically a win-win for Joe in his commentary that Djokovic was hated by everyone. If the crowd boos, then they obviously hate him, but if they cheer it's not possibly because he's the best in the world, it's because his hardcore fans managed to get hands on some tickets.

    It's similar to the conversation about the Italian 100m sprint champion. They were basically questioning his links to a nutritionist who had connections to doping. A guest and Joe went on to say something along the lines of "I question the olympics as there's so much doping associated with it". "How could someone just suddenly become an olympic champion out of nowhere" they were discussing, implying he was doping. Maybe a fair and balanced broadcaster could give some examples of historical examples of other sportspeople coming out of nowhere. Jamie Vardy came out of nowhere to be a prolific premier league goalscorer, no one questioned whether he was using PEDs.



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    #271
    Tell me how
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118483003#Comment_118483003


    Because often it's not the topic that I, and others, find ridiculous. The presenters and guests drive the narrative. So for example, the Djokovic conversation was terribly one sided. They could be accused of inciting violence to the man. "there's a non zero chance they storm the court and dismember him" quipped the guest while herself and Joe laughed.

    Guests and presenters always drive the narrative. It's the same on Monday night Football on Sky, TalkSport Radio and Second Captains. If Wooly was still on OTB and had said that he though Djpokovic should be let play and everyone should mind their own business, would you be annoyed if he expressed such an opinion.

    Joe then went on to say how he was curious to see what kind of reaction the crowd would give him, whether they'd boo or cheer him. Then Joe goes on to say "ah well I'm sure his hardcore fans will find some way of getting tickets". It was basically a win-win for Joe in his commentary that Djokovic was hated by everyone. If the crowd boos, then they obviously hate him, but if they cheer it's not possibly because he's the best in the world, it's because his hardcore fans managed to get hands on some tickets.

    This whole paragraph is just you presuming to know Joe's motivation for saying something that he didn't actually say.

    It's similar to the conversation about the Italian 100m sprint champion. They were basically questioning his links to a nutritionist who had connections to doping. A guest and Joe went on to say something along the lines of "I question the Olympics as there's so much doping associated with it". "How could someone just suddenly become an olympic champion out of nowhere" they were discussing, implying he was doping. Maybe a fair and balanced broadcaster could give some examples of historical examples of other sportspeople coming out of nowhere. Jamie Vardy came out of nowhere to be a prolific premier league goalscorer, no one questioned whether he was using PEDs.

    The reality is that the amount of evidence with respect to athletics and the Olympics is very much that if someone comes out of nowhere, they are more likely to be doing something illegal than not. Jamie Vardy is not really a fair comparison given the raw talent in football is not limited to fitness/aerobic capacity/stamina as much as it is in athletics or swimming for example. We have our own evidence of that from the 96 Olympics.

    Even if you look at Jamie Vardy, and as you rightly pointed out, he came from nowhere (to some degree) But he's a pretty isolated case is he not, the amount of footballers like him who go from non-League to Premiership winners medal and top scorer are very very rare. Would it be fair to give equal weight to the likelihood of that happening elsewhere when it is so very rare?



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