Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

I find that one of the less crazy solutions considering that pornography was banned in this country only a few decades ago.

The Russian government polices it rather heavily.

What toxic white masculine ideology?

We're discussing whether men should need a licence to leave their house.

I assume no normal person supports that, just media clickbait provocateurs who want to accumulate page views.

The call for legislation which will heavily police all men's movements, actions and curtail their personal freedom is what is threatening.

How a single unsolved murder can justify that is anyone's guess.

Murder is a shocking crime and we could just as easily be debating bringing back capital punishment but we aren't, we are debating should ordinary men be constrained in their daily lives.

I don't want to be constrained in my daily life, and it involves me if people are talking doing so. It isn't just something for other people to articulate and think out loud about.

I've just said that this ridiculous remark only represents media clickbait-mongers spitballing in the post you're replying to.

I don't think it would come about.

However we're supposed to allow it to stand as a part of public discourse and not say anything back for some reason. Pointing out what's wrong with it becomes a big deal which makes yourself and EmmetSpiceland very unhappy, why is that?

Also why are men who speak up for themselves characterised as "angry". I don't feel angry, I'm having a nice relaxed Sunday.

"....you can't tar everyone with the same brush" only applies to minorities. Not my rule.

Imagine if someone said in relation to Muslim paedophiles gangs in the UK that it was a cultural problem, that it starts in the home, the Muslims need to have lessons, that it's 'not nipped in the bud' when they are young, that it all started in Muslims youth, that bad behaviour by Muslims to girls in schools (the lower level) is connected to girl rape (the higher level), to use the rhetoric I'm hearing on the Brendan O'Connor show just now.

And can I just say to mna na heireann, as a man I'm not responsible for the behaviour of your son. If you can't bring up your own son to be a decent human being I don't know how you can expect me to do it. And with that I've no intention of correcting either men I know or men I don't know.

And finally, from my own experiences of low level harassment I've been subjected to both living in London and in an Irish town, every single one of those incidents were perpetrated by men of lower social class background. So that's really where the problems mostly lays, everyone knows it, but don't have the balls to say it. In my town in the last few years there's been a marked increase of lower social class youth and young adults hanging around the town in groups and additionally lower social class eastern Europeans drinking alcohol in the parks, on walkways, in come crevice they can find outdoors where they are partially hidden from view, and if the police can't clean that up which would go some way making people feels safer, including for myself, I sure as hell can't do it.

All be forgotten in another few weeks. It's just the latest, virtue signalling hashtag from the permanently outraged.

The real issue will remain untackled though like everything else before it until the next tragedy.

There is a Pareto distribution when it comes to criminality - 5% of men commit 95% of violent crimes.

The sentencing guidelines (ie legislation) are the weak link in our criminal justice system imo, not judges or Guards

Funny how M Martin puts it back on ordinary people to change the "culture of violence" - what culture of violence? I never hit people or get into fights, ever. Do other boardsies?

If you could somehow get in legislators who would target violent male criminals with constraining punishments that would be the best solution.

Like a dog in a manger, Martin and his colleagues occupy the spaces that could be filled by effective legislators.

Also can anyone explain how white males and non-white males differ in relation to this issue? Genuinely curious, I'm not understanding this part of it at all.

The "something must change" chorus is getting enormous attention. But it's as non-achieving as all the other similar choruses.

Like most hard problems there may not be a fix that is less harmful than that fixes consequences.

So potential fixes: Might as well get the non starters stated and ruled out ASAP so as to leave discussion time and resources for society patches that might be less outlandish.

Mandatory tracking on all people outside their home?

McConkey's option. Applied to all people? Or just people that show signs of failure to socially mature to an acceptable level.

(Properly done training has been claimed to reduce recidivism, 20% to 4% was mentioned in the paper today? Which is why the idea might appeal to an academic. Applied to all though might turn out to be as deficient as Irish language education / school PE; less than a youtube video.)

Chastity belts for all. No cash nor jewellery nor pawnable possessions to be carried on foot. (including pricy footwear)

Regulated (volunteer?) community watchpersons around towns and villages between 5am to 3 am, concentrating on amenity areas?

A fast method of reporting attempted crimes that does not commit the reporting party to dealing with the police? Talking with colleagues, a high proportion are subjected to gurriers that make a attempt to mug / assault that fails. And as such, goes unreported.

The only problem with life for rape is that the perpetrator is as well kill the victim after raping them.

The classic example of Blank Slate was the communist "New Man" , Nazism also had their version of a "New Man" . Do lefties never learn that you cant program people, there is always a new generation behind.

Hang on, who was lying?

That right there is why so frequently don't report assault or rape, because if (and its a big if) it goes to court and the accused is acquitted then it immediately flips in to 'she was lying'.

Personally I see people who go down that route immediately if a conviction isn't secured know that it's an opportunity to instill a message that women should keep their mouth shut. (And for the record, if a claim is proven to be false, then that person should be charged with having made it)

It's not men who attack women.

It's criminal scum that happen to be men.

Mandatory lengthy jail terms for all assaults and burglary will make society safer.