Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

Can I just make a comment in relation to this point.

There's any range of things that can happen to people that are unexpected, and unpleasant. Say the very smallest example of this is talking to someone who doesn't want to take part in a conversation. And from there it can include telling someone to smile, commenting on their appearance, wolf whistling, making suggestive comments, propositioning them, touching without consent, sexual assault, actual bodily harm, rape, grievous bodily harm, murder etc.

All of these acts (offences) can be inflicted by a male or female (even rape) on a male or a female, there is no suggestion that it is otherwise. But generally, and I use that word exactly as it is defined, in events where it is people of different genders involved, the male will be physically be stronger and therefore is more likely to be in control of the situation whether that be carrying out the offence, or stopping it from happening.

Frequently, many of these acts happen in succession with less serious acts being carried out first and then the situation escalating in to more unpleasant or serious ones. And not always this escalation happening within the same interaction, things can escalate over time or as new interactions happen. There's no rule in that respect obviously. Hell, the same people don't even have to be involved in each subsequent event. And that is why I think women are bothered so much about the less immediately harmful events and how this past week have commented about the range of events such as I have listed and not just the horrific and most severe crime that happened. Because, when they experience any one of those events, they don't know is it in isolation, or could be part of a process of escalation (either immediately or over time) and while no one should have to experience something that makes them uncomfortable at the hands of someone else, should an event escalate, men can more readily protect themselves should they actually feel under threat, than a woman can in a similar situation. And so men can take experiencing the lesser impactful events at the lower end of the scale without the same fear of it escalating that women experience.

That is why I think we saw such an outpouring in the past week and many people comment about the less serious things that they have experienced and which make them uncomfortable, they aren't saying that every man is capable of escalating through the range of different acts and is likely to do so, what they are saying is that when a single event happens, they both think what might come next, and have to do so with the knowledge that they are likely physically inferior to this person, whoever they are. Ask the women they know how many times someone started of with a pleasant comment and when they said they weren't interested, they were insulted. As a consequence of this, the smaller seemingly inconsequential acts that some men think are harmless are unpleasant for them to experience.

As you did, I just want to mention here some of my own experience and being groped. Not frequently, but I've had it done and while in the case of the female I just pushed her hand away and told her to behave herself but when a guy did it, and when I turned around and saw it was a guy, I did have an immediate response of WTF and then a thought of I hope he doesn't do that again. Because in that instance, my brain thought that if he does it again, and I have to get forceful, where will this go. I believe that women have that experience much more frequently than men do and that is why the conversation more frequently is about trying to stop this happening. In isolation a female doing it to a male is as bad as a male doing it to a female. But its hard to just look at the events in isolation when they can be part of a series of events, and that aside, in both events, the physical difference dynamic is likely to exist.

We're more likely to get nuisance legislation that annoys and inconveniences the average blameless man than anything that increases real protection from violent men.

Since I have no expectation, none at all, that a solution would even be conceived in good faith I'm hoping nothing is done.

We're a society that increasingly just lets the bullies win.

Spot on.

I wasn't aware that people were being prevented from wearing whatever devices they wanted to. Is this a legislative restriction?

There is a certain type of man that jumps on the populist bandwagon just so people will like him. A 'yes' man. I hope McConkey is not one of these.

Someone mentioned how men are also wary of walking on the street. You bet. There are streets I won't ever go down at night. Men are being murdered on the sidewalk. It's real sinister out there for men [i]and[/i] women.

In a way you could interpret Sam's 12 lessons before going out to socialise as referring to the responsibility of parents.

The 12 lessons are really all on one central theme "don't be a dick".

Some young men are going out into life without a responsible adult instilling that basic piece of advice.

My analogy didn't really work because I made it seem like the two groups were different but the ciao Bella guys and the leering tradesman were meant to be one of the same the only difference being context and appearance. The ciao Bella guys seems romantic and exciting while the tradesman is creepy. I have heard women call quite good looking guys creepy so don't know whether my point holds(although that's why I mentioned genuinely good looking guys) but certainly creepiness is situation dependent. All displays of romantic interest are in a way creepy(if you're suspicious or unnerved by the opposite sex) until its clear that there is reciprocal interest. Part of courtship is an invasion of someone else's personal space, its only how we perceive the other person that makes it OK.

You skipped the context part of the post

I am not anti men and don't agree with the agenda this week but as a woman who has had encountered men walking behind me in the dark, I do get a sense of relief when he crosses the road or doesn't quicken his footsteps. I wish it wasn't that way but it is.

The logic part of my brain tells me it's probably nothing to worry about about but I'm lying if I said I don't feel relieved when they do.

No I was responding to your response to the original nonsense post. Why is that wrong?