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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,512 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    If this statistic alone does not get some in-depth media coverage then the plot has really thickened !


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,512 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Pre-existing conditions by type in 2020


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Somebody needs to tweet Leo V with these stats,and ask when he's going to ask our crew to deliver the same ?


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    I have found that people are now so 'over covid' both physically and mentally, that they no longer want to talk about it..nor or are they 'angry' at the restrictions..they are compliant for a simple life... to me, this is more dangerous, people have their passes, they comply along like its no big deal... a huge chunk of the population do not know or care when and if the emergency legislation gets renewed..they have no interest any more and they are burnt out.. to me this so much more dangerous as the government can keep promising and drip feeding us good news.. and people will react in the way to just roll with it as all will be OK by the summer or what's another few weeks.. etc etc.

    I feel if by the end of the month if this shitshow continues...we are in trouble...every winter we will have this shite..and it's not a future or a 'normal' I want for me or my children..

    I was so full of hope til I saw the tweets of no certainty of life getting back to normal..its disheartening

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,512 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    I don't know if people are getting burnt out yet. I know people who are getting more entrenched, delighted at the possibility of getting N95 / FFP2 masks, complaining about rule breakers as much as I complain about the treatment of rule breakers.

    I don't see many people apart from myself breaking or bending the rules, people are still bagging up.

    I know people who can't get any more jabbed, they have their passes, or are recently recovered, yet gush on about eating outdoors... "oh, the heated sets were so comfortable"... afraid of their shite to cross the threshold of a half empty pub, restaurant or cinema.

    I really think that even if Tony said tomorrow that the pandemic was over, they'd still be putting their fear on everyone else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    I should also have said that being compliant for a simple life is also a big thing, I complain like fück about the restrictions, passes and everything that goes with them, yet I still get jabbed so I can travel and get away from here.

    However, I'm now one of the sheep, same as everyone else. We all have our reasons for getting the pass, but it doesn't matter to Tony why you got the pass, once you have the pass.

    All very depressing really. At least the doors are still open for us to get the fück away from here... How gracious of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    Yep. I know plenty of people who will give out about how unethical the passes are, but who will gladly use them to get into a restaurant or take a flight while the (according to them) unethical treatment of the unvaccinated continues.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    That can't be true I thought everyone was getting vaccinated so that they could protect granny and everyone else and had nothing to do with themselves.😀



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  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    It's amazing how much covid filled a void in so many peoples lives..I also find some people are actually JEALOUS of non vaccinated people getting recover passes...as if they still don't deserve to be a part of society ..cos they didn't get vaccinated.. its all so bizarre...alot of people wont let go of this.. and this encourages NPHET too unfortunately..Its a very toxic situation..

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    A lot of double-vaccinated-and-boosted people have said they felt guilty about contracting covid over the last month or so, as though there is any moral value to be attributed in the course of infectious disease.

    There's definitely a degree of psychosis going on. The propaganda mongers have a LOT to answer for.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    100%...its almost as if they feel 'unclean' and that's how it has been drilled into people's minds..if you caught it, it's because you clearly didnt follow the rules...🙄

    Most people are no longer afraid of the virus..but they don't want to be responsible or to be known as the 'one who passed it on'..and this is the core of why the restrictions will stay alot longer than anyone wants..in my opinion..its the fear of judgement now, not actual illness..

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    What do you want people to do? I try my best to support businesses that don’t discriminate based on a persons vaccine status but unfortunately there’s little or nothing I can do about it. If I want to get in somewhere or get on a flight I have to use the cert.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Blut2


    9,400 deaths with no underlying condition in the UK would be the population adjusted equivalent of 700 deaths in Ireland, total. Across almost 2 years, so 350 or so a year. With a median age of 82.

    Given our similar population profiles, and it being the same disease, thats likely a roughly accurate figure for Ireland. NPHET will do their damnest to delay releasing that figure.

    We have 150-200 road deaths a year every year in the country, of people with a much much lower average age, in much better health, and nobody demands society shut down completely to prevent that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    I complain about the passes, they're a slippery slope to god knows where. I've rarely used the pass within Ireland, but when I do I always cause a queue to form behind me....

    As for using it to get away from here, well, I make no apologies about doing that.

    I hate the whole theatre around the passes for travel, but I'm sorry, I'll do whatever it takes for hassle & testing free travel, my head needs regular breaks from the absolute covid misery that pervades Ireland... they even have covid distancing stickers in the tiny shitter at work FFS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    I don't really have "wants" about other people's behaviour. It seems like a pointless and unavoidably frustrating endeavour. But I do know a handful of people who take the position that they will not use the domestic covid pass and will take whatever consequences for that there are (not going to places that require them, testing before flights rather than showing them, giving more business to places that refuse to be complicit, etc.). I respect those people.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    I happened to go for tea in a hotel lobby w a friend who was staying there. Didnt have my ID but manager settled f my Covid pass. Some friends of his joined and i just expressed my hope these irrelevant Covid passes would go soon. That they were a relic from the times when we hoped they would help somehow, to keep Covid from spreading, to make society saver.

    Alas, it is now so normalised that people dont even question them, their efficacy and purpose.'Ah sure, we are all jabbed anyway, whats your problem?' They actually dont see the issue. I am afraid that will be the reason they might stay. It contradicts my other thinking, that the diminishing fear of Covid will lessen over time and hotels etc not bothered asking for them. But It might turn into a standard bureaucratic procedure. Pubs are likely to stop using the certs at some point but in hotels, music venues, theatres etc they might continue to be used. Maybe that is the real reason authorities are so against pubs.

    With Omicron any social distancing, mask wearing, certification has become completely obsolete, yet it is the same routine applied now. Everybody is so used to it it has become...normal, new normal, sensible, acceptable behaviour.Terrifying, really!



  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    For some people I think following the pandemic is akin to following a soap like Fair City or Coronation Street. They absolutely love analysing graphs and case numbers, the efficacy of one vaccine over another, N95 masks vs normal ones etc etc It’s like covid is there hobby and they absolutely love every aspect of the pandemic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    Not aimed at you personally, as I fully believe everyone has their own choice and that also includes supporting passes etc..

    But people just eat outdoors..noone is sitting under an umbrella getting drenched ..most places are very much set up for outside pints or food..infact some are lot nicer outside..there is a better atmosphere..

    Pcr tests for travel, alot of places take antigen and its a quick trip to the chemist for 30 euros and you get a travel cert..

    A PCR taken in Ireland will get you to anywhere in the UK and back on the same test for a weekend..so just take one before you go..

    It's a little bit of an inconvenience, but it's not like the only option out of the country is a vaccine, however I will agree its the more convenient option.

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



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  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos



    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    Exactly! This is my thought on it aswell..which is genuinely frightening..I sometimes feel like the only looney that's trying to highlight a problem that noone else sees! Haha

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    was in a restaurant today and after paying the bill got up to leave and walked out without putting my mask on- just slipped my mind. A couple coming in looked at me and took an evasive step sideways with the guy (late 50’s) saying ‘mask’ while gesturing with his fingers around his mouth and nose. He was being polite enough and I’d genuinely forgotten but got me thinking- the nonsense of sitting somewhere for 90 mins without a mask and then putting one on to walk 10 steps to the door Is boll*x and I’m not doing it anymore. It’s up to everyone to start normalising normal things again.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭scrips


    Dr John Campbell says in his latest video, referring to the spread of Omicron, 'The [recent] restrictions in Scotland PATENTLY have not worked'. He goes on to quote an EU expert who says that there is no evidence that an ongoing booster programme would be beneficial, and he highlights a few UK experts who believe that the end is in sight and we should accept a certain level of deaths from coronaviruses each winter. I wish we had this kind of straight-talking medical figurehead here in Ireland.

    Specialists now agree on endemic ending - YouTube

    To add - I ate out today in a restaurant which did not ask for my contact details or covid cert - I didn't even notice at the time but it would seem to be a promising sign.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The while thing with the UK was the experiment that England were going without any heavy restrictions and Wales & Scotland going with heavy restrictions. Turns out it made about no difference at all.

    We went with heavy Level 5 restrictions last winter and this year the government stood off a bit and let things pan out. It looks like we will have the exact same looking spike and drop on the charts.

    Apart from the original Spring 2020 lockdown, I don't think restrictions/lockdowns have done anything. And we are starting to see the real life data to say that it was all in vain.



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    No offence, but this is part of the problem... You shouldn't settle for any of what you just said.

    Indoors with no cert, or nothing... travel without testing / cert, or nothing.

    2019 normal or nothing... anything else is just giving in and feeding the monster.

    I complain to anyone who asks for my pass, and I always cause a kerfuffle, yes, I don't care if they are just doing their job, in my eyes they are King Tony's representative, and I'll make it known. Cause enough grief and it makes it's way up the chain eventually.

    Yes, I know I use the pass for travel, and I'm a sellout, but my mental health comes first, and I would rather travel with covid, than discover I have it and be grounded.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,625 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Did the same yesterday in tesco. Only realised I didn't have the mask on when I was walking out the door. Never bother with the mask when going into the gym or leaving such a stupid rule to wear a mask entering or leaving the gym but not needed when you are working out and sweating and breathing heavily. Mindless stuff.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,188 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Yes, becoming sick with this particular airborne pathogen has become a moral failing and is akin to punishment from the covid gods for the grave sin of not following "the rules™️" devoutly enough



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    This seems to be turning into an anti vax thread and not a relaxing restrictions one.

    The doctors said the solution was the vaccine and we were all meant to take. Don't understand the strange reaction to defy doctors advise. Take that **** elsewhere please.

    Let's get back to discussing end of restrictions.

    Any sign of pubs reopening after 8pm. When will mask mandates in primary schools end? (It's an awful thing to do to kids). What about festivals etc.?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,840 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I see little discussion of vaccines.

    Posters are discussing the certs which are a restriction.



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