Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

It’s not a bad idea, but probably should be done in school.

The whole thing is too complicated to make sense of, a woman on some discussion program was saying how her 15-year od daughters did not want her to make a fuss about some guy driving by slowing down to take a look at her daughter in her GAA shorts, the thing is stuff like that always happened but it was more covert and furtive, nowadays the man doing the learning, it's nearly so what it has become more overt and that is different and its to do with permission, now where the permission has come from? is the crux of the matter.

Society has become less civil in general and bounders that use to be taken for granted are breaking down, why this has happened is very hard to pinpoint.

I listened to him, and before him Alison O’Connor had quite the anti male rant.

All over the papers as well, and even our justice minister talking as if violence was only a male on female issue with her “we won’t tolerate it.” Not a mention of not tolerating violence full stop.

Her personally assuring us that all resources being made available to AGS to solve this case. This is great, but has she also guaranteed these assurances for other murders?

I don’t understand it. Vast majority violent assaults are male on male. It’s been this way since we became a species.

I am just not liking this deliberate targeting males here by commentators that is stirring up division.

At the end of the day the judge and jury decide guilty or not guilty and sentencing.

I would prefer to continue paying for Free Legal Aid for those who qualify for it rather than see people without means being convicted because they didn't have proper representation.

OK but what equivalent of the Safe Cross Code is going to protect someone who is the victim of a random attack when going about their daily business and bothering nobody.

Yes I am exempting victims from responsibility if someone else attacks them.

Just discussing the issue, don't mean to be overly confrontational.

i remember my father telling me about school back in the day, and a wall going down the middle of the playground, boys on one side, girls on the other

What i took from it is how perpetrators up in court are always portrayed as being victims themselves by their legal representatives

Given that you have claimed people are somewhat personally responsible for some of the claims made by women in this thread and online, it is only fair that you give clear real life examples instead of citing what is actually an unfortunate accident. As I said, its very hard to visualise without concrete examples.

No. 2 - one of the things that makes me see red is another man telling a woman they don't know who "smile" or "cheer up". I swear it makes me want to hospitalise them.

Does this happen? Nobody I know would ever speak like that to somebody they don't know.

thoughts and prayers

#DoBetter

#BeKind

Apologies, was giving them the benefit of the doubt, but no they were indeed pursuing a line of victim blaming

Yes, it does happen as do ALL of the other points outlined in Point 2 of Labre34 points.

I raised this EXACT type of behaviour yesterday on the previous thread which was closed only for to be told by a man (posting here) that it was just male banter and something males do from time to time and I was trying to outlaw interaction between men and women by saying its not acceptable.

They actually said they'd be chuffed if someone catcalled them in the street.

So clearly, there are people who excuse and condone this type of behaviour and until we get past that point, its very hard to make progress.

Another man on the previous thread also referred to the smile brigade in a negative way, so it is positive to know that people are aware it still exists and its unwelcome.

And I didn't mention Tullamore at all in our exchanges.

Like I said I was just having a discussion not an argument.