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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,837 ✭✭✭billyhead


    The leadership has been very poor true out this whole mess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    It pains me to say this but under FG there was a bit more order to it. Since MM has taken the reigns and this coalition 2as formed, communications have been disgraceful. How many times have their own ministers been caught on the hop with decisions they've made and had to scramble to put leasure and legislation in place.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,473 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    "It is hoped bars and restaurants will be permitted to open to at least 11pm from next month after Nphet reviews the latest data on the virus."

    They just don't get it do they.

    They can **** off with their curfews, whether it be 8pm or 11pm isn't the point, there is no science worth a damn that justifies them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    It’s all just theatre. These ludicrous fcuking restrictions could be lifted TODAY if they wanted and we wouldn’t see basically any difference. They are completely and utterly beholden to Tony and his band of yes men. Asking Tony would he consider lifting restrictions!! Just repeat that to yourselves! We are living in a fcuking fantasy land at this stage.

    Just on the guy who forgot to wear his mask for thirty seconds and was reminded by some self righteous gobshite, I’m fcuking done with those types, if anyone does that **** to me they will be told to go fcuk themselves.

    I’m sure our friends will be along shortly to tell us “but, but Tony only advises….” Etc etc but sure, have at it lads.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    As bad as MM is you have to admit he has not been helped one bit by one of his coalition partners doing their upmost to undermine him and the government as much as they can for their own personal gain. In saying that MM needs to grow a backbone and lift restrictions ASAP. They have had 2 years to put the structures in place to deal with this and they haven't done that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    My fear would be the moment they open up and the cases inevitably go up that they start closing again.

    Leo is like a flag in the wind though, "it needs to stop, we have to reopen, steady as it goes, cases are worrying, we need to slow down".



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Without getting into a back and fourth so to speak 😉, I actually think a cohort within FG didn't actually help the messaging debacle, indeed I think it reasonable to suggest some actually undermined MM and the coalition strategy in managing this Pandemic. It only seems to be more coherent (in their eyes at least) of late, a kind of Truce or perhaps a realisation their both going to be accountable ultimately and they actually need the CMO on side, more for political cover than anything else, the Greens will just continue to nod regardless. Of course, this IMO

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Apothic_Red


    I witnessed the nonsense with my own eyes on Friday evening.

    We went into the vigil in Carlow for 6pm. By the time it finished & got chatting it was about 7pm. Tried 3 restaurants & none were allowing walk ins at that hour citing this place needed to be empty by 8pm. Went for a pint instead & rang a takeaway for the way home. While waiting I went into O'Briens to pick up a bottle of wine & it was packed. Takeaway took 45 mins to be ready as they were slammed too, the whole thing is a stupid manufactured mess that serves zero purpose.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,583 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    To me, that's just the way the journalist has worded the article. Either way, it doesn't detract from the fact that our Taoiseach is a weak leader.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    I honestly dont see that happening though, the big driver is schools, theyre back and cases dropping, literally cannot see cases go up because they change from 8pm to 11 for hospitality and cinemas.

    Closing stuff at 8pm made next to no difference, just theatre. If anything its goign to be an eye opener for a lot of people seeing these restrictions go and making no difference



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    They will drag it out till we are fully open just in time for the next round of boosters, so cases will inevitably rise and we are back to the closing down/opening up cycle once again without really ever been open for a significant period.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,697 ✭✭✭Economics101


    I see ISAG are at it again. Still holding up NZ and China (!!!) as exemplars. https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/aggressive-suppression-and-zero-tolerance-of-covid-are-crucial-1.4777808



  • Registered Users Posts: 387 ✭✭RunningFlyer


    I saw their letter in the paper this morning and it's literally taken up half the letters page - what a waste of ink!!



  • Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    China has not reported a single Covid death since April 17, 2020. Using it as a comparison is either ignorance or malice, and basically invalidate every single other claims they make in my eyes.

    At least they're not advocating for full lockdown "to avoid another lockdown" and full border closure (and probably a wall up north) anymore, I guess.



  • Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    What a weird little bunch of highly educated people. They’ll be in their strange zero-covid bubble for the foreseeable, on their own, stamping their feet for attention.

    Had to dig to find the letter on the website and thankfully not yet referenced in main news, hopefully stays that way. At this stage they should be treated the same as any other lunatic fringe group. And should have everyone questioning ‘experts’ and their credentials - one prominent one recently reckoned it was a good idea for all men to have 12 socialisation classes before being let loose in public.

    These people have taken up huge column inches through the pandemic and their ridiculous ideas debated and given serious thought. Waste of time and space and their nonsense contributed to our dithering snail-like lifting of restrictions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    was there a date limit put on masks for primary schoolers? Thought I remember someone here mention February but can’t find anything now. My 11 yr old was complaining as her lips became badly chapped last week they were painful. Improved over the weekend but still very uncomfortable.

    ironically got an email from the school saying they are celebrating ‘well-being week’ while it’s about 5 degrees in the classroom and she is sitting there with her coat on with freezing hands and painful lips from the mask!

    I await somebody coming along to the thread later to tell me she should just toughen up.

    personally I think we may be entering one of the most divisive and frustrating periods of the pandemic as many feel frustrated that the emergency is over and freedoms and norms need to be handed back quickly as is our right while others want the abundance of caution approach.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,812 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    As far as i remember, the mask mandate for everyone is due to expire either at the end of this month or February 11?

    Or do I remember incorrectly?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,857 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    So far as I'm aware, the requirements for masks in schools is only advisory after the pushback that occurred. If it's making your daughter uncomfortable and causing her pain, that's a legit reason not to make her wear one IMO. Just talk to the teacher/principal is my advice.

    It's another reason why masks are impractical and/or pointless in schools and many other places they've been required, but I fear they'll be the last to go.

    I've no problem with them being voluntary for those who feel better wearing them though.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,857 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I doubt it matters unfortunately. It'll be extended at the stroke of a pen without a proper debate as to the necessity or duration I expect.



  • Registered Users Posts: 48,234 ✭✭✭✭km79


    I was wondering this last week as well

    I think we all know it will be till the end of this school year anyways sadly. At a minimum



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  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall


    The Irish have some knack for doing pointless things just because that’s what is expected. I can imagine the headlines in 20 years when we’re still doing this stuff.

    ”Coronavirus hasn’t been a problem in 17 years but meet the country that still lives like it’s spring 2020”



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭emo72


    The one thing that's crystallized in my mind over this pandemic is that we have no questioning media. No one to hold the government to account. The media is bought and controlled by billionaires and governments.

    It's very **** worrying.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    This mask wearing codology needs to be removed with all the restrictions. I have said it before on here that all the restrictions need to be lifted, the government can still run their ads about being careful, wear a mask if it makes you feel more comfortable and all that sort of stuff but it should be left up to people to decide whether they will or wont wear a mask, whether they will or wont go to a packed pub or nightclub.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,857 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    That's because a lot of our journalists are either related to or married into political families, or aspire to moving up to being an advisor/staffer for them in the future



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Oh I agree but it shows what a weak leader he is when he allows his government "partners" and NPHET to continually undermine him.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,335 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    NPHET can still turn around and say 'nope too early for that' etc and bring out another sobering model.

    'Need more time with boosters'

    'Can't take the risk that the health service will become overwhelmed, esp with the climate'

    'We need more data'

    'Variants variants variants'

    Restrictions extended to 21st February



  • Registered Users Posts: 207 ✭✭BuildTheWall




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,857 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    That may be so, but it's still true..

    Here's a recent example:

    This gentleman even recognises it as a valid career path:

    "The jump from journalist to politics isn't an unknown path. I just wanted to do something different," he said.

    "Politics is like a drug. We all love it, we live and breathe it. The formation of the Government took place before I came home. This opportunity emerged. I was just asking around and had some discussions and it became clear there was going to be an opportunity. It's really difficult, [but] you'd be mad not to take an opportunity like that."

    Or...

    Or (a bit further back)..

    Or as far back as 2011:




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    This morning, I had the enviable task of informing employees of a business that I work for that they are all on 50% pay (down from 75% the last few weeks) because of such poor trading in the business mid-week for the last two weeks. With the 8pm closing it is really only worth their while opening Friday - Sunday. Without the EWSS they would be gone altogether.

    When will this madness stop? These restrictions effect real people and real jobs. Why are the government only asking nicely the CMO if they can move the opening hours later? Have some leadership, and move on it fast.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭darconio


    There's a fairly easy way out of it: stop complying. I know it's easier said than done, but the people in charge have demonstrated that have no intention of returning to the real normality, it's time for us to take back our freedom by any means: business should stop enforcing these stupid rules, customers should stop following them.



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