Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

so just by discussing it, it makes you out to be a victim? yes thats a great way to have discourse.

the fact it was said on RTE by a prominent person is worrying. if you can´t see the gradual shifts over time then you need to wake up a little. its not an immediate thing. its real world stuff. you can blithely say oh its just some crank on radio etc.

but these are real things. and they are clearly affecting human culture. obviously there is some good to come out of the bad things. many men have changed mindsets after the metoo movement and the court case here. its a gradual thing and hopefully it continues. however villifying every single man is tiresome.

and you are at it. you just shut down discussion by basically stating any man talking about this is playing the victim. utter bullshit.

men must do more. i don´t think anyone disputes that. its still a patriarchy. but we are getting closer to breaking the barriers. a first female us president might be a sledgehammer to it opening. i´m not responsible for my forefathers short sightedness when it comes to women and their role in society. but i can admit that women have right to feel aggrieved. they were chattel for centuries upon centuries.now i see women as my equal. but by trying to totally right those wrongs, you could easily flip it the other way. we need balance and we need proper discourse about all these things. and as you rightly point out, most women would say this is bullshit.

but saying that its a bit worrying a prominent talking head is talking about licenses is not dismissing women nor their real fear of stuff like this. i mean some people say make misogony a hate crime. its great in theory, not so much in reality. we need to strive for an equal and balanced society.

for me its alot of hypocrisy. where are the people taking a stand against the countries who are still basically medieval with this stuff?

i think peoples main issue with all of this is the illogical nature of it all. how do you end crime? cause thats basically what people are saying. educating men is a great way of going, and will change some of the distasteful stuff even more. yet i think its clear that after all that there will always be violent men. and indeed violent women to a much lesser extent.

and how do you square the likes of Malcolm Carthur or Larry Murphy walking free with it all?

there is a tonne of issues surrounding all of this. again dismissing it with the idea that even discussing it as being insensitive or playing the victim is lazy.

educate men till the cows come home. but you won´t change things without a clockwork orange style intervention, the desctruction of consumer capitalism, a reversal of the increasing sexualisation of our culture year in year out or a really harsh system that goes against the liberal individualistic society that we have. also we would need to really ramp up the clash of civilisation. the hypocrisy around Islam is easy to see here. its racist to call it out but their misogony is ok? which is it.

tldr: so yeah Sam talking **** on radio doesn´t really matter until you reealise that every change for better and worse has come from public discourse through mediums like this. so instead of a license it might be a full on mandated civil course. again great in theory. not so much in practise because you have unbalanced society and divided it. and by discussing that and trying to criticise that, i´m not playing the victim. men can be bastards and we need to do more. but how much more, and what more needs to be properly discussed. culture wars are happening, and its easy to dismiss them as twitter echo chambers. but some prominent thinkers do think future wars and strife will be wars of sex, race, age, religion. so lets strive for equality and balance, not a reversal of the wrongs of yesteryear.

but most of all we do need to accept that society is still a male dominated one and that needs to change. women shouldn´t have to put up with misogony. women jokes, sexism, lecherous creeps, wolf whistles, objectification. hopefully we can get there. i can see the issue has had on my daughter and partner. this is a male problem and men must do more.

China does not allow pornography to be streamed so taking it out of society is possible but its too lucrative sadly to do so. An irish girl we can identify with is what makes this murder all the more shocking. I disagree with all white men being tarnished as there are many good white men but the vilifying of them is on going in the world & this just conveniently feeds the narrative. Why a man would strangle a woman at 4pm in the afternoon while she is out jogging beggars belief and i am sure many men are as baffled as i am . Just be nice and stand up for us especially to assholes !

He changed his view on Hilary Clinton he needs to go back into the camp she is a warmongering cnut and so deceitful and duplicitous. Stopped all information about her husbands dealings with epstein while she was running the last time - 28 trips to his paedo island? America does not need her if that all they can come up with its a very sad day for such a huge country.

Considering you were the very first person to comment on Amacca's post, before anyone else; rather presumptive to comment on the "amount of men" who feel threatened, when no one else but Amacca commented.

There is absolutely nothing in Amacca's statement that indicated anger , either .

There is nothing in what Amacca stated that is unreasonable. A call for a licence? Even a half wit could see the legal issues that would exist with that idiotic reactionary suggestion from the said Sam McConkey; not to mention how unenforceable it would be .

We already have laws in place to deal with toe rags. We just need parents and schools and community groups to educate young people about respect for each other (most violence is male v male after all)

The original poster said:

"Why isn't anyone focussing on the law and order aspect of this or demanding the powers that be work towards reducing public order problems/threatening intimidating behaviour etc...."

What is wrong with that statement ? How is that a statement of anger ? More police on the street would be a good thing (to be fair, the horrible incident in Tullamore couldn't have been stopped by cops on the beat, they can not be everywhere)

He then said :

"I myself as a man have been on the receiving end of two unprovoked attacks, you read about people with previous public order convictions in the hundreds still seemingly free to roam around, isn't that part of the problem that nobody seems to want to mention....wouldn't that reduce the likelihood of tragedies like this happening?....why is it OK that the police are afraid to go into some areas etc....why is it OK to suggest "all" men should have to undergo a mandatory course to socialise.....I say "all" as no doubt if challenged on the nonsense one would get the placatory oh most men are lovely stock answer we just mean the bad ones ... at that point one would be nitpicking if you asked what the selection criteria for this course would be...."

What is unreasonable about that statement ? Legitimate question. Do you seem to cry anger hate etc if someone asks awkward questions ?

He then concluded by saying :

"When will we do what we should do in this country and start applying timely and proper deterrants to criminality/thug behaviour so people can feel safer walking the streets rather than beating around the Bush with some nebulous notion of education programs and societal change.....I'm not saying culture can't change or that it shouldn't but I do think you'll always have scum and much higher levels of it regardless of what courses you bring in if the justice system doesn't face up to its responsibilities and actually campaigning for that to happen might go more towards a meaningful response to this horrific tragedy."

So, a person who is concerned about the disorder around the country - complains about what he perceives is failing under the criminal legal system for ALL - he himself a victim of two assaults..................Where is the anger that you claim?

The proposal uttered is indeed nonsense. This poster in the last part of his statement offered some solutions (arguable that they aren't the be all and end all either as education is very much needed too)

Your attack was not only premature, but misunderstood (giving you benefit of the doubt that it isn't dishonesty) and rather baseless.