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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    France are tightening their restrictions in relation to the passes..



    Austria want to set themselves us with a higher vaccination rate for autumn of next year for new variants..

    ''“All experts believe that we will need high overall immunity in the population next fall as well,” Mueckstein said.''

    Yeah, restrictions arent going anywhere if this current thinking on the mainland.. I really hope MM and co, look to the UK and not the EU.. 🤞

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The Irish government will look to follow whoever is the most strict in terms of restrictions.

    Its not about evidence, or favouring one country over another, just about being cowardly and trying to justify it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,605 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I work from home, my pay is guaranteed and I'm 100% against the restrictions and have been long before the majority were.

    It doesn't have to be a case of self preservation, some of us can see what does and doesn't make sense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Not a chance on this good green earth that the government will look to the UK and follow their lead and mainly it will be because Boris is such a buffoon, no way could they be seen following a buffoon like him. No they will do what they always do and probably go into competition with other EU countries so that they can be the best in class.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The UK are the model they will look at here especially as it appears we've passed the peak and our cases look to be taking a tumble. There may be something to be said for being so close to them and importing all that Omicron! It's hard to say how those currently enforcing vaccinations will deal with the summer tourist season. Right now other countries are looking like a much better place to book.



  • Registered Users Posts: 818 ✭✭✭setanta1984


    Why would you think they will look at the UK? They had the perfect opportunity to do that last summer when the UK removed everything fully, while we went the complete opposite direction and imposed certs to eat indoors, on top of everything else. All previous evidence does not align us with the UK.

    Those news stories about what is happening in France, Austria, Italy etc. are the most depressing point of the whole last 2 years. If Europe goes any further down this route, despite all the evidence around the current variant, it will take years and years if not decades to get out of the hole of mandates, passes and discrimination. It's already crossed the rubicon imo. It's so depressing to think we are part of a union with countries who can go down these paths and what that could mean for us.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭walus


    Right now probability of dying from Omicron is 50 times lower than dying from flu. There are no medical reasons fir anybody who is not vaccinated to go and get the jab, especially kids. There is also no medical reasons for which all of current restrictions should continue on. Not to mention fabulous ideas for mandatory vaccinations.

    The reason why people are still getting vaccinated and why restrictions will continue to be in place is political and commercial. As the saying goes “never waste a good crisis” and so what we are experiencing is not going to end anytime soon. If this was all for medical and health reasons we would be opening up tomorrow.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Last summer it was agreed we would wait until we'd finished vaccinations and we did start until Delta put a stop to it. In terms of culture and social life they are the best example to look at and we have been sort of tracking them for months. As for the EU, well we are still ahead of almost all of them on vaccination without the need to threaten people, domestic COVID passes notwithstanding. TBH I don't know where the likes of France and Austria ends up. It may remain permanently or it could all just go away overnight. That said one can understand their concern at present with huge cases numbers however brutally they are approaching it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 537 ✭✭✭B2021M




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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Unfortunately it doesn't look like it. The challengers are all over the place and squabbling amongst themselves. Polls show him beating any of them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 818 ✭✭✭setanta1984


    Cultural closeness won't come into it, these are political decisions and there is zero chance of our lot being seen to side with the UK, who regardless of evidence will always be branded a pariah. Our lot will never want to be aligned with that.

    They have no problem with making Ireland an outlier when it is deemed to be on the "righteous" side. Most restricted - look at us being so tough and brave and correct. Most open - which we would be if we did what we should at the end of this month (which is remove everything, including masks and certs) - no way, couldn't be seen to be so out of lock step with the rest of the EU. We will never want to an outlier on the other side.

    They take their cue from those we are in a union with. For now at least there doesn't seem to be imminent EU level diktats to members - the ultimate worry is that this is happening behind the scenes and only a matter of time for it to emerge fully. This is now what I am most worried about, and pray it won't happen.

    can't emphasise enough how much I hope I am wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,605 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Talking of France, the new laws passed last night after a bit of chaos in parliament over the last 2 weeks due to 600 new ammendment being added.

    Like i mentioned a while ago from the 15th of February a booster will be required 4 months and not seven months from the second dose or the Covid pass will expire.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The UK do the same things as us, pubs, social activities etc. and are a few weeks ahead so they are a useful indicator of the progress of Omicron, far more than the surging cases elsewhere in the EU. The only things we have really copied from the EU are the certs and our fairly daft curfew idea. Our cases are on the way down, quite quickly perhaps so that plays into tracking the UK more. Hospitals have peaked at 1,000 so the health system is saved for another winter!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭zom


    "booster will be required 4 months and not seven months from the second dose or the Covid pass will expire."

    Teach your children Chinese and biotechnology people!



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,246 ✭✭✭✭Father Hernandez


    Does anyone have any information on how the latest Omicron forecast modelling scenarios in December by Philip Nolan has played out versus actual real life data?

    Surely if we know how Omicron has played out (in terms of cases being massively high but the actual effect on people has been just a really sore throat for the vast majority), is there any scenarios being created to show how this relatively positive news can play out on our hospitals and population and get us back to pre pandemic normality? Or is that too optimistic or positive?

    Again, surely if we know the effects are minimal to the vast majority of the population, why is there little to no 'real' noise about opening up society properly and simply getting on with it?

    Fatigue?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,583 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Absolutely bonkers. Macron is trenching down for the long term with this nonsense. Vaccine passports are not going anywhere for at least a few years.

    Good luck with their tourism industry, especially from the UK and US who will be moving on from it. Not getting a booster every 4 months.

    This is why he will be pushing the EU to standardise this around the states. He won't want any outliers. Tourism is one of their biggest industries and there are a lot of people around the world that have been itching to go on holiday.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Speaking of the French, here's a paper from Nature from last week on the effectiveness of the measure and the usefulness of the restrictions associated with it. Unlike a lot of COVID papers this is a straightforward read.





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  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭darconio


    Some french restaurants changed their status into private club: you can obtain a free membership card on the spot and in this way they are not obliged to enforce the covid cert to their customer. Not sure what's the Irish regulation for what regards private clubs, could this be done over here?




  • Registered Users Posts: 38,335 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    I'm guessing Covid will still come out after 12

    FFS going back into these phases and will no doubt be dragged out till maybe after Paddy's Day. No doubt 100% attendance's for indoor and outdoor are still not been considered and for what scientific reason might that be ??



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,858 ✭✭✭growleaves


    There are casinos which open til 4am in the middle of Dublin right now.

    Many casinos in this country are private clubs, and were open even while 'casinos' officially had the same status as nightclubs (Level 1?)

    I could see private cinema clubs becoming a thing here if certs aren't got rid of.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,993 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    I hope the IRFU are exploring the possibility of playing games in England because another year with tiny crowds for the 6N is going to be crippling for them.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,858 ✭✭✭growleaves




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,631 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    They haven't started legislating for fourth doses yet have they? (It doesn't look like the EMA will approve a 4th shot without strict conditions from time of the third shot).



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,631 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I posted about it about a week ago, the economic cost of a low vaccinated populace is quite high in extra healthcare etc. there will be a non-medical push to get unvaccinated vaccinated because of this cost, they're looking at what might happen beyond Omicron and taking no chances.

    I don't agree with it, but France and other countries ain't messing about with it and don't want further restrictions or lockdowns.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,605 ✭✭✭brickster69


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,858 ✭✭✭growleaves


    No one knows anything about human nature anymore. Macron saying he is going to 'torment' the unvaccinated is going to make it even harder to convince the recalcitrant because now they'll feel like they're giving in. Now its a personal defeat.

    This is one task at which Martin, with his sad eyes and gentle pleading, is much better. He has enough humility and wisdom not to hit people over the head with threats though our cert system is even harsher than the French one.



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