Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

17-01-2022 7:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490874#Comment_118490874

What happened to that poor girl is not the fault of men or the fault of society.

It was the fault of that man.

To use it as a stick to beat men with or to further an untrue narrative that women are unfairly treated by society is delusional at best and evil at worst.

We are listening.

We just think you're talking shite.

DontHitTheDitch · 17-01-2022 7:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490874#Comment_118490874

Most of us thought we were having a discussion about safety issues, not nuisance issues?

I walk the dog around here at night, don’t think for a minute guys are waltzing around at night or on their own whistling zipadeedooda as they pass a group of teenagers. There’s no monopoly on feeling vulnerable.

anewme · 17-01-2022 7:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490839#Comment_118490839

Ah here it is another example of a man telling a woman what she thinks. Where would I be if I didnt have a random man to tell me what I think.

If saying men should not shout or hassle women in the street is defining rules for everyone, then I'm guilty as charged. So are hundreds of thousands of others.

17-01-2022 7:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490887#Comment_118490887

There's evidence that they are a physically weaker species. Also that males are sexually attracted to women. The point is they are vulnerable and feel vulnerable. A man goes out for a run and is thinking about his run. Going do 5km or I'm going to do 2 laps. A woman is thinking I'm only going to do 1 lap because it's getting dark soon.

My wife was victim of a road rage incident where she was followed to a supermarket car park by an aggressive man roaring and raging at her for being " a stupid fcuking woman". She left and he kept following her to a petrol station where she thought she would be safe and could get help. Not one person even acknowledged this man, who at this stage was out of the car and trying to open her passenger door while shouting and threatening her. Not a single person helped or even took any notice.

She drove out of there and he followed her a bit more before giving up.

It's a completely different world for a woman. Always having to think about and worry about their safety. ALWAYS.

M three · 17-01-2022 7:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118489103#Comment_118489103

Yea theres a lot of bs in that post. You must live on the top of a mountain if you never see garda patrols. I dont travel that much and I see several garda every day between cars, bikes and foot patrol.

Maybe you missed in the last 2 years the huge campaign undertaken by gardai to reach out to those in rural areas, particularly the elderly. Food etc was brought to them when needed along with guards calling to people for a social chat. Never mind the massive campaign across the country of stopping people driving asking them where they were going during the 5k, and county restrictions. Thousands of checkpoints.

There can always be more car, bike and foot patrols but its better than it was I think.

And no it does not take 3 days to fill out a report of theft. Like I said, a lot of bs in that post.

17-01-2022 7:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490828#Comment_118490828

That is absolutely warped.

You want compliments to be illegal because people have no way of knowing if a woman has been complimented before and might have been assaulted?

And you think that by outlawing compliments, it's a step to keep people safe?

You would rather outlaw speech to prevent anyone be offended. But where would you draw the line? Offense is entirely subjective.

I would wager that you wouldn't want it to be illegal for someone to describe someone as a cis male. But some people find that description offensive.

I think what you are calling for is things that YOU think are offensive to be made illegal.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

kazamo · 17-01-2022 7:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490845#Comment_118490845

You could start with hello

M three · 17-01-2022 7:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490858#Comment_118490858

Would that be the FG justice minister who presided over the cancellation of hundreds of thousands of emergency calls to 999?

Thousands of them from female victims of violent crime.

Helen McEntee couldnt give a sh1te.

17-01-2022 7:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490909#Comment_118490909

Men have to deal with road rage incidents too.

Nothing about that incident, as horrible as it was, points towards her being targeted because she was a woman.

anewme · 17-01-2022 7:28pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490807#Comment_118490807

As, as Larry Gogan said, the questions didn't suit ya.

No problem with that.

17-01-2022 7:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490928#Comment_118490928

Men aren't vulnerable to a physically superior species with a natural physical attraction to them. I mean I suppose it is possible, but not likely enough for the need to constantly have to look over your shoulder.

anewme · 17-01-2022 7:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490837#Comment_118490837

Okdoki, maybe the people here who think they can approach random women in the street should ignore some of the women on the street as well, then there might not be need for this thread at all.

17-01-2022 7:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490953#Comment_118490953

Erm, he was shouting sexist abuse at her. Not a hope he would do it to a man. He'd have had a smack in the head if he did. They only prey on women because they are (physically) weaker.

17-01-2022 7:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490966#Comment_118490966

Disgusting comment.

17-01-2022 7:34pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490968#Comment_118490968

What evidence? I would love to see a survey on how many women feel vulnerable and under threat out in public. If you want evidence.

17-01-2022 7:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490974#Comment_118490974

Stupid **** woman.

Is that sexist abuse? Would saying "you **** stupid man" be sexist? I mean, you said "aggressive man" in the sentence before it. Was that sexist or did you say it because he was a man?

I'm not downplaying road rage but you'd be mad to think that only women are victims of it.

anewme · 17-01-2022 7:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490978#Comment_118490978

Apologies to Klaz on this one, it was not meant at Klaz personally but all the people who think it's ok to do that

I've made that clear, when it was not initially.

17-01-2022 7:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490991#Comment_118490991

Sure, and nobody is trying to belittle that. But that's not the topic of conversation here.

dark crystal · 17-01-2022 7:36pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490874#Comment_118490874

Anewme, it's pointless attempting to have any sort of nuanced discussion around women's issues on Boards, because as sure as eggs are eggs, it ALWAYS turns into a gender war thread. Every. Single. Time. You'll be labelled a feminazi or similar simply because you state a lived experience as a woman and men seem to take umbrage to that as if we are personally attacking them.

I have a father, a male partner, a son. I don't hate men at all. I don't know one woman who hates men. Women who hate men have underlying issues, they are not the norm, no matter how anyone tries to spin it.

What some women on here (few enough of them as there are in this discussion) are saying, is that AS WOMEN, there has always been and will always be a certain cautiousness around CERTAIN male behaviours. This has come from years of experiences - some low-level harrassment, some much more serious behaviour - that has shaped OUR lives as women.

In my opinion, a great start, instead of talking about 'educating' men around how to act around women etc. (which is quite condescending imo), is to start in school; not by lecturing, but how about doing away with single gender schools for a start? When we start in Kindergarten or playgroup, we start as co-ed, mixing with both genders, as is normal in society. As soon as we hit National school age, most kids are separated according to their gender. How does this make any sense as a society? Surely interacting with the opposite gender for the majority of any given day is preferable to the segregation of sexes? I've never understood it, treating each other as a separate species during our most formative years.

I also agree that the justice system needs a serious overhauling. Without knowing the particulars about who committed this particular crime, time and time again, we read about violent criminals who have dozens, even hundreds, of previous convictions and are out on the streets. This cannot stand any longer. There needs to be a major shift in sentencing for people who are a threat to society. It won't stop violent crime, but it may mean less of these scumbags are walking the streets.

Anyway, my heart goes out to Aishling's family and friends and to everyone who's ever lost a loved one to violent crime. It must be an unimaginable pain I can't even fathom.

sekiro · 17-01-2022 7:37pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490874#Comment_118490874

This is getting to the extent that you are using this woman's murder to try and score points on unrelated issues.

Yes, comments in public can range from inappropriate at best all the way through weird and creepy and down to threatening and dangerous at worst.

However, there is a difference between feeling unsafe and being unsafe.

Hundreds of thousands of women in Ireland have not been murdered while out on a run regardless of how many awful comments they have had thrown at them. Maybe people shouldn't be trying to hijack a murder in order to have a moan about that time they got comments from a passing car.

You are doing a few things here that are not right in my opinion. First is the assumption that crass and sexist jokes are a gateway to murder. If this is true then share your sources. Second is using a tragedy like this to try and make unrelated points about feeling uncomfortable being alone at a cafe.

All of this extra stuff is just being piled on top of a fundamental issue that is someone being murdered in this country in broad daylight. Maybe people should just talk about how to actually stop that. Not trying to tie that one time some eejit in work made them feel uncomfortable to a brutal murder.

17-01-2022 7:41pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490997#Comment_118490997

Seriously, I would expect a man to fight back and defend themselves. Not something I would ever advise.my wife or daughter.

17-01-2022 7:42pm

17-01-2022 7:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491028#Comment_118491028

Some around here would accuse you of promoting toxic masculinity for encouraging and expecting men to use violence.

See how quickly you've become part of the problem?

Wibbs · 17-01-2022 7:48pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490584#Comment_118490584

I don't want to dismiss it, because it is a topic worth discussing, but suicide figures are very difficult to draw conclusions from, as they are quite subjective. It can be difficult to separate accidents from suicides. Suicides are often hidden in other categories like unknown cause of mortality, or deaths of undetermined intent. Falling off bridges, single vehicle collisions, accidental overdoses vs self-poisoning.

You say you don't want to dismiss it, but then go on to try. But OK, let's take your argument and agree. Men are still overwhelmingly the people that are "falling off bridges, having single vehicle collisions, accidental overdoses and self poisoning".

The basic experience of what it is like to be female in society today is what the poster meant. The pervasiveness of gendered expectations is wearying for women.

This is a letter perfect example of how easily people buy a secondhand narrative especially if it paints them in the leading role. Do you honestly think men don't have 'gendered expectations' in society?

Take something simple like shopping for toothpaste. You go into any chemist in the country and you will see thousands of anti-aging products, aimed squarely at women. Creams for wrinkles, age spots, crows feet, any myriad of products. The obligation to look pretty, get dressed up, do hair and make-up. But also understand simultaneously that buying clothes, make-up or spending money on haircuts is seen as silly and frivolous. Men generally get to age in peace.

Not if they're married they don't!(joke)😁 In any event all those things you list are driven by the market and that market is women. Which industries have more women than men calling the shots on what's "In"? Fashion and beauty(and a lot of advertising). Pick up any women's fashion magazine or site, or any women's periodical in general. Look at the list of editors and writers. The majority will be women and a fair number of the men will be Gay guys with it. They're the ones driving the you're too fat, not curvy enough, too old, too short etc. Hell, a 'feminist' site like Jezebel who seem to hate all men who aren't pudgy manboys with no testosterone and has had articles about how funny it is if men get thumped by women, they have a huge style section and you'll see the same thinsg there only couched in more covert terms. They're still women peddling insecurity to other women. Which seems to be far more of a consistent theme with women throughout history and culture.

There was a TV show, or a section in a show, I think on Channel 4 ages ago where they had CCTV in a discount clothes shop flogging designer gear. They alternated between a men's shop and a woman's. In one experiment they got actors, a very goodlooking man and a very goodlooking woman. They put a fancy garment in the racks that would only fit/suit them and put the actors in with men and women off the street. The actors would make conversation with others in the shop about looking for a particular item and size. In the all women bit, none of the other women pointed out the garment to the good looking woman, even though a few of them clearly spotted it but put in back in the rack. In the all men bit, quite a number of the men who spotted the garment told the good looking man about it.

I've noted this before but it fits IMHO. Look at a area that is almost entirely driven and focused on the so called "Male Gaze": Porn. You will find every shape, size, age and ethnicity of women portrayed in it. You will find more variety of women in a weeks output on pornhub than you will find in a century of Vogue's. Oh look we put a large photoshopped woman on the cover of Cosmo, aren't we so brave. Meanwhile in the porn world that's an entire genre. When was the last time an overweight Black woman in her forties graced the fashion pages(other than Oprah)? if that was your thing you'd find that in an instant in a porn search. What will be harder to find is "18 year old anorexic catwalk model".

This is something I wish more women understood, but it seems so few do; men care significantly less about the things you think make you 'pretty' than you and other women do.

Any child doing anything someone disapproves of... there's usually a comment about it being the mother's fault.

And if a man is a rapist murderer or even catcaller that's men's fault and also our responsibility to fix.

Medical treatment. Having a baby? There is no way you are the right age. You are either way too young if you're under 30, and geriatric if you are over 30. And that's comments from medical professionals. Gyne problems are often misdiagnosed. Pain women experience is dismissed and expected to be endured instead of being diagnosed and treated. It's incredibly difficult to get something like PCOS, cysts or endometriosis treated, but there are dozens of breast and face surgeries available, lip fillers, bum implants. Those have a menu.

Yep, but you think male medical stuff is peachy? Compare the funding of breast cancer, or cervical cancer, to testicular or prostate cancer. There is no comparison. As an Irish woman, you will live longer and in better health than the average Irish man. You will be significantly less likely to die from most illnesses and you will also have far more social support while doing so.

DontHitTheDitch · 17-01-2022 7:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491004#Comment_118491004

The numbers don't lie. The rate of women being murdered is decreasing. I wonder could those who are happy with the media commentary on this imagine seeing headlines for days on end saying 'I think we can all agree the world is getting flatter and flatter every day, what are women doing about it?'.

Sleepy · 17-01-2022 7:53pm

What should be done about a murder? The murderer should be tried and, once found guilty, incarcerated for a reasonable length of time (i.e. not out in 2 years for good behaviour) and during that incarceration there should be a focus on rehabilitation imo.

What should be done about the fact that some women don't feel safe on our streets? For the most part, they should educate themselves on risk and be grateful they live in a society as safe as ours actually is (you know, where the entire country is horrified by the seemingly random murder of a young woman rather than one where it would be just par for the course).

There's a real need for a recognition of reality. Most of the women sharing these stories on social media aren't sharing stories about their lack of safety. They're sharing stories about their perception that they aren't safe. While it may seem like semantics, there's actually a vast, vast difference between the two and calls for someone being rude to be a criminal offence are ludicrous and a dangerous path to go down. If it's illegal for someone to shout "nice arse" after a woman jogging, should it also be illegal for her to retort "fcuk off you cretin, it's the closest you'll ever get to one!"?

Is there an acceptable level of murder in a society? Of course not. But it's naive beyond any reasonable measure to expect to live in a world where horrible things never happen. Should something be done to allay the, let's call a spade a spade, over-inflated fears of a number of women on social media? No tbh. It'd be a waste of resources, a distraction from our society's real problems and they're asking for the impossible. Humans are, both male and female, by our very nature, capable of doing awful things to one another.

Rather than trying to appease the glorification of victimhood, we should first be focused on catching the perpetrator and then on trying to understand what failing in our society caused him to act the way he did. It's not a trendy point of view when most would rather just kill the cretin (and if I'm entirely honest, I'm as guilty as that want for revenge as the next man: there's a real part of me that hopes that if the current suspect is in fact the killer, that the reason he's been in hospital so long with his injuries is because Aisling managed to gouge his eye out before he killed her).

The "what" you're calling the discussion to be about needs to be about addressing the societal issues we have (I firmly believe that most are rooted in inequality and insufficient social supports tbh) rather than the playground "boys are bad, throw rocks at them" bullshit we're getting from the media. Nonsense like trying to get the murder of a woman deemed "femicide" rather than a "homicide" and arguing that it deserves more harsh punishment or making cat-calling a criminal offence only serves as a distraction and a highly divisive one at that.

What else could we do? Well, we don't tell small children that they're bad when they misbehave: we teach them that the thing they did is bad. It's been accepted wisdom for decades at this stage: tell a kid that they're bad and they'll live up to that expectation. Feminists (and the media in general) have a lot answer for over the past few years for their popularising of terms like "toxic masculinity" imho. They're actively telling young men that they're toxic while running endless campaigns to promote the interests of their female classmates (who already have better expectations of outcome on most demographic statistics: life expectancy, educational achievement, health, risk of dying violently etc.) ahead of theirs. I'm no psychiatrist but that sounds like a fertile breeding ground for misogyny to me. How's that for irony?

Stephen_Maturin · 17-01-2022 7:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491006#Comment_118491006

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_white_woman_syndrome?wprov=sfti1

it’s an extension of this widely noted social phenomenon

SunnySundays · 17-01-2022 7:55pm

The hysteria over the last few days in the media and online is just ridiculous & I cannot see what the actual purpose is or what can be achieved by it.

It is a fact that the vast majority of people regardless of gender, age, nationality, country of residence, educational, race, porn viewing habits & any other selection criteria are decent people and do not murder, attack, abuse, sexually assault, or harass anyone.

It is also a fact that Ireland is generally a very safe country.

It's also fact that the number of women being murdered her is decreasing.

Female, white, Irish women have committed, solicited or attempted murder too e.g. Catherine Nevin, The Mulhall Sisters, Sharon Collins etc. Yet there was no call similar call outs at the time.

If there is any required debate in this country, surely it's about bail, sentencing, legal aid, time served, suspended sentence, increased time for second, third, multiple offences.

Furthermore, context is important. We can all be offended at various things but it's important to differentiate between debilerate offence and intended offence. Neither are nice but one is certainly more damaging.

We are seem to be back at a level where the majority are being punished for the actions of few. It's as junville as back in school where the whole class gets detention because one child is causing a problem. It is ridiculous.

The only thing I know won't help in any discussion, debate or society is division and putting one side against the other. The current men v. women nonsense is disparaging to both.

I know loads of people hate the use of Not All Men but facts are facts - it is not all men, or even a near majority of men or even 10% of men. It's a tiny percentage of deranged individuals (either Male or Female) that carry out heinous acts, there just isn't a journalist in this country that will ever go again the narrative and call things out for what they really are.

anewme · 17-01-2022 7:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491011#Comment_118491011

Sekiro, you are summing up here exactly what I am trying to say.

The conversations that are taking place in the media, Social Media, in conversations on FB are not just about Ashling's murder.

They are about everything I have said above.

Another poster nearby says he is dumbfounded by the amount of media attention this is getting. I'm surprised at that comment to be honest.

You think I am doing something that is not right. Are all the media, the articles in the newspaper, the advertisements made about a woman jogging, are they all doing something wrong? So hundreds of thousands of people are wrong?.

Maybe the people who shout out of the car are doing something wrong? Maybe the "smile, it may never happen" sexist comments are wrong. Maybe they need to stop and consider why the extensive coverage is taking place in the media this week.

Quantum Erasure · 17-01-2022 8:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491096#Comment_118491096

Maybe the "smile, it may never happen" sexist comments are wrong.

I'm a guy and I've had that said to me, or worse, dunno if it was sexist or just ignorant tbh...

17-01-2022 8:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491040#Comment_118491040

Defending yourself against assault is not toxic masculinity. And no I'm not part of the problem because I'm not abusive or threatening to women.

anewme · 17-01-2022 8:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491121#Comment_118491121

Both I'd say. Not on at all.

Wibbs · 17-01-2022 8:07pm

IMHO there's a major problem with "educating women on actual risk" and all that stuff. It butts up against basic human nature. Of the various personality traits women score high in neuroticism, while men score high in aggression. This doesn't mean women are neurotic, or men are aggressive, or that women can't be aggressive or men can't be neurotic. It means that more women than men are more likely to be more anxious and fearful and more likely to interpret people and situations as threats and see more of them.

Which makes perfect sense. Women on average are more physically vulnerable than men. They're weaker, shorter and get hurt more easily. On average the 6'5" bloke with arms like tree trunks is going to be less twitchy than the 5'2" bloke with arms like matchsticks. That's before all teh social expectations on both. Men are supposed to suck it up, don't be anxious, you're on your own, deal with it. Women are constantly told about just how vulnerable they are, no matter what the actual risks are. The media around this case a very good example.

So I think trying to deprogramme all that is a monumental task.

kazamo · 17-01-2022 8:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490941#Comment_118490941

”cis male”….You are comical and couldn’t be further from the truth 🤣🤣

we as a society need to change our behaviour and how we interact with each other.I can accept that but you obviously can’t.

What I could say twenty years ago, is just not acceptable anymore, office banter, certain phrases used and the problem now is, because some members of our society continued with cat calling, when it is dealt with legally, it will probably include your compulsion to make comments to complete strangers on the street.

I don’t agree with it, but we still have too many Sid the Sexist characters in Ireland and for any law to be effective it will have to be a one size fits all. But this has been largely a theoretical argument as we all know it would never be enforced and If we put in caveats like for strangers on the street, then it certainly won’t.

This has been an interesting chat and we are never going to agree.

Have a good evening. .

anewme · 17-01-2022 8:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491123#Comment_118491123

Weird way of looking at self defence allright.

Our Mammy taught us to never hit anyone, but if they hit you first, do your best make sure they don't do it again.

dark crystal · 17-01-2022 8:10pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491067#Comment_118491067

If women were the making the world flatter and flatter, I would hope they would do something about it! Thankfully, the Flat Earth society are on it, so we should be ok.

Seriously, what has your comment got to do with anything I said in my post anyway?

17-01-2022 8:11pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491123#Comment_118491123

You do differentiate between men and women though and only advocate for men to be violent in order to protect themselves against a verbal assault. Some might see that as toxic.

And again, you might feel like you arent part of the problem, but I guarantee your (what could be perceived as sexist) attitude that women shouldn't use violence and that men should be expected to would, in any other conversation, have you labelled as a misogynistic neanderthal who thinks they are superior to women.

17-01-2022 8:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490953#Comment_118490953

Oh come on. Nothing points towards her being targeted because she was a woman?

Are you ignoring the part where her assailant called her a "stupid fcuking woman"?

I wonder would he have been so aggressive towards another man in the same circumstances.

You're being deliberately obtuse.

listermint · 17-01-2022 8:13pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490974#Comment_118490974

I was driving to relatives in meath and a woman cut me up on a roundabout. Then pulled across my car screaming abuse at me and sat in the car with the front of her car across the lane so I couldn't move on. She drove off after about 30 seconds.

Lunatic I thought.

Then I got a call from the local gardai station to my front door 3 counties away she made a complaint and said I abused her and drove after her following her to a lidl and screaming abuse at her in the lidl car park.

Needless to say it was all bullshit. And my wife whom was sitting in the passenger seat the entire incident, with my 2 toddlers in the rear. Myself and my wife had to make statements in the local station. The charges. Yes charges were dropped a few weeks later as there was cheese holes in her story.

I went straight out and bought front and rear dashcams for the car following this as I could have been looking at serious fines or a record because some looper was in a road rage drama.

Sure it was my fault I suppose I'm a man and easily targeted.

Just FYI I jog in a forest locally its quiet and remote but does have some people in it. I however run with one earphone in for fear is some mad man with a penchant for attacking anyone. I don't run around without a care in the world. Be nice though if I didnt have to do that.

buried · 17-01-2022 8:13pm

The authorities and establishment have no intention on deprogramming anyone. Their very existence is based upon widespread and divisive noise-craft. As long as they keep getting away with that, deprogramming won't be part of the established game.

anewme · 17-01-2022 8:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118490678#Comment_118490678

But it's not just about you, is it? Maybe the other person has a different policy and does not subscribe to yours. Now you can do what you want yourself, but if it impacts others, then its not your choice. Personal boundaries and all that.

If you know there is a strong percentage that your comment could be deemed unwelcome, why not follow the kinda mad idea the other lad brilliantly suggested and just mind your own business.

Sleepy · 17-01-2022 8:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491123#Comment_118491123

Expecting a man to be able to do so is exactly the kind of gendered expectations notAMember was complaining about.

As an unfit middle-aged man with no combat training, if a gang of feral youths (or even one aggressive motorist as described earlier on the thread) decide to hassle me, I'm likely to be in far more trouble than a woman they wolf-whistle at: she'll get offended, intimidated and scared maybe they'd even go so far as to grope her. I'd likely end up in A&E.

17-01-2022 8:18pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491160#Comment_118491160

Yea I'm talking about male aggression towards women. I mean that is exactly my point. What.am I supposed to say "human with a penis".

17-01-2022 8:19pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491167#Comment_118491167

No, I addressed that part.

The most likely scenario was that the guy was upset about the other drivers behaviour on the road. It wouldn't matter if it was a man or a woman.

Men and women get into road rage incidents every day. And from my own experiences, the type of people who suffer from road rage are equally likely to engage with a man or a woman.

I've asked if someone was called a stupid **** man, would that be sexist?

17-01-2022 8:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491201#Comment_118491201

In this day and age? Probably.

17-01-2022 8:26pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118489877#Comment_118489877

Since I saw someone liked my original post it was clear that the sarcasm wasn't strong enough.

You hung out with someone you think is a piece of **** in just about every way and then ranted and criticised him on a forum. It sounds, well, it sounds made up because I don't know why you'd associate with someone who drinks their own piss.

Also, as a fat ****, I don't go asking for help in clothes shops because if the biggest size doesn't fit me there's not much more to ask. If only I had a good samaritan like yourself to help me out then go railing against my on the interwebz to do some virtue signalling.

17-01-2022 8:30pm

Perfect example earlier of trying to talk about this (rather than just nod along no matter what) was my mam saying "You don't know what it's like to be a woman.". Yeah, and the sky is blue. She has no idea what it's like to be a man yet is sure it's always worse to be a woman.

17-01-2022 8:30pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491187#Comment_118491187

I simply disagree that giving a woman a compliment should even be discussed as being made illegal.

As a married man, it's not something I need to worry about, but **** hell, the push from some to police language to such a degree where you need permission to COMPLIMENT someone is frightening.

There is also a good chance that a random compliment could actually make someone's day. But sure **** those guys.

JP Liz V1 · 17-01-2022 8:33pm

We need tougher justice sentences for all violent crimes no matter age or sex

anewme · 17-01-2022 8:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491259#Comment_118491259

By all means compliment someone you know.

A stranger, maybe not.

You might think "great tits" is a compliment and the receiver might not. (I'm not suggesting that's what you would say by they way)

For example whistling: Walshb said he'd be chuffed to be whistled at and another lad said he would assume women would take it as a compliment, but anyone I know would deem it harassment and unwelcome), so someone's compliment is someone elses insult.

So as the lad said, maybe just say nothing and respect eveyone's boundaries.

Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

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