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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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    #29672
    noraos
    Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491697#Comment_118491697

    Wow!!.what an ignorant post...can change career if they really want to!? Why should they..? So some people can avoid a commute??. Maybe those people could really change their careers to work closer to their children!! If it was that easy.

    What a bizarre and selfish response...the LAST person's view I will look at this from, with sympathy and compassion, are the people who were the least effected with their full time secure jobs on a laptop at home...thousands of peoples livelihoods and families have been destroyed as a direct result of these restrictions...

    Children's lives damaged from a commute!!.. and people commiting suicide all over the country..give me strength..

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



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    #29673
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    I asked this question over the summer. I got one answer to it, who said September-October 2021 but I'll ask it again....

    Under what circumstances do people believe that the NPHET Government will lift ALL restrictions?

    It doesn't seem forthcoming. And seeing the France's Wish.coms version of Napoleon, giving large about 4month boosters, Vaccine mandates thoughout their sporting summer, the "conspiracy theory" of forever restrictions is looking more plausible.

    If you don't think that there are intentions for forever restrictions from the controlling elements of the EU or NPHET, ask to yourselves "Under what circumstances do you believe the NPHET Government will life ALL restrictions in Ireland?". 2019 conditions.



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    #29674
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

    The smart thing to do now would be to go back to the October 22nd reopening ASAP, if cases continue to fall after that i can't think of a good reason for further restrictions. Unfortunately we have an old bald idiot in charge, sooner FFG go the better



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    #29675
    noraos
    Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

    A week or so ago, I would have said by April the majority of them will be gone.. but after all my negative article reading today (which put be in a cranky mood so won't be doing that again so soon) ..I'd say there are some things gonna be around forever more. Masks etc..maybe not by law..but in the form of recommendations and people will follow them, and it will be our new normal..

    I'm hoping that we won't have entertainment, pub, restaurant curfews anymore..but I think hospital numbers over winters could possibly bring other restrictions back in the future.. I hope I'm very very wrong.

    I also don't think the emergency legislation is just gonna expire and all that control lost..they'll hold onto that for a while...

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



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    #29676
    KanyeSouthEast
    Registered Users Posts: 942 ✭✭✭KanyeSouthEast


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492102#Comment_118492102

    I agree but say as you said the sooner FFG go the better. Then what? SF in power who have been more in favour of restrictions than the current lot are in power. The govt has been diabolical but the opposition has been worse.



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    #29677
    Penfailed
    Registered Users Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

    It's anybodies guess...but I'll go with mid-April.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



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    #29678
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492156#Comment_118492156

    SF aren't the ones blindly following the recommendations of NPHET, no matter how off the wall they seem to be



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    #29679
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,608 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Restrictions starting to be lifted this week apparently:

    Major easing of Covid restrictions expected this week (breakingnews.ie)



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    #29680
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492248#Comment_118492248

    From the end of the month is when it will apply



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    #29681
    francogarbanzo
    Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭francogarbanzo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492248#Comment_118492248

    Seems like a pretty minor easing to me.



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    #29682
    Always_Running
    Registered Users Posts: 1,789 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Screenshot_20220117-222324~2.png

    The leaks are out? Some difference from a year ago.



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    #29683
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users Posts: 15,070 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492263#Comment_118492263

    What part do you see as minor easing if the reports are true?

    Going from 5000 to 51000+ people in the Aviva for the Six nations?

    "It is also expected that full capacity will be permitted at outdoor sporting events, which will impact the upcoming Six Nations rugby championships and GAA league matches."



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    #29684
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Local radio station here reporting

    Tanaiste Leo Varadkar believes Ireland is coming to a point where it needs to "move on" from COVID-19 restrictions

    I was getting excited before I realized they got the tanaiste's name wrong, oh well...



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    #29685
    Dickie10
    Registered Users Posts: 3,889 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    the pressure was always going to be massive for 6 nations games. every other nation bar us would have full houses.



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    #29686
    scrips
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118489164#Comment_118489164

    Unfortunately you are doing what the government and the media have done throughout the pandemic, you are making out that there is a single, militant anti-vax 'brigade' in society whose views are completely misaligned with the common good and who wish to cause trouble. This notion of a group with a common identity is simply not the case and this kind of labelling has been shown up to be gaslighting at its finest. In months and years to come we may even, with hindsight, respect how some of these people campaigned to protect our civil liberties.

    Having said that, I have also gone along with the majority, to make life easier for myself and seem compliant. But as you say it's an absolute nonsense continuing to wear masks now as we are told that Omicron is unavoidable anyway (unless you are wearing one to protect from other respiratory illnesses, which may not be a bad idea).



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    #29687
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492425#Comment_118492425

    France and Italy haven't confirmed ending of restrictions yet but the IRFU wouldn't hesitate to move games to one of the other home nations who gladly let the Irish in without any checks, I'd say it will be a consideration, however small



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    #29688
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492377#Comment_118492377

    When are they proposing to remove the sport capacity limits? Could Munsters game this weekend be a full house?



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    #29689
    hamburgham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491760#Comment_118491760

    The establishment here would choke here before they’d give BoJo credit for anything. I remember the sneering of Pat Kenny about how stupid he was to go ahead with their ‘ Freedom Day’ back last Summer. Guess what, nothing terrible happened, not that Pat would ever acknowledge that.



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    #29690
    Pigeon Chaser
    Registered Users Posts: 251 ✭✭Pigeon Chaser


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492417#Comment_118492417

    Is there a joke buried in here that's gone over my head?



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    #29691
    Derkaiser93
    Registered Users Posts: 158 ✭✭Derkaiser93


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

    I'd like to see restrictions go too now at this stage but even if nphet are conservative , restrictions like masks and certs are still in place in nearly every country right now, and some with more restrictions than us. The international political and scientific community and WHO still are still clasifying this as the pandemic stage for now and at least short term future....regardless of what you, Richard Hillman on boards.ie thinks or says. I'm not nphets biggest fan and as I said would like restrictions gone very soon but this isn't unique to ireland nor nphet regardless of what you or others on here inconsequential opinion is.



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    #29692
    charlie_says
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492010#Comment_118492010

    Maybe if vote of no confidence in government and huge public unrest? I don't see this happening outside of food/energy shortages for anything in Ireland.

    NHEPT get rebranded but remain. There will be mask restrictions on certain places for years to come, especially public transport and air travel.

    Honestly unless a real populist movement starts we will have nanny state here for good, the coof was a bigger 9/11 event for bureaucrats/managerial elite types who will wield it over us for decades in some form.


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    #29693
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492103#Comment_118492103

    I think the aftermath of 9/11 is a very useful example of what can happen during exceptional circumstances. The relationship between the public and states is temporarily suspended due to the ‘emergency’. The danger during this period is that entire political dispensations grow around these temporary conditions.

    I’ve little difficulty in imagining that vaccine passports and masks will now be a permanent fixture in our lives to varying degrees going forward.



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    #29694
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118491722#Comment_118491722

    Not sure if serious.

    You and the 10 people thanking your post do realise that the antigen results are from people who previously would have been sent for pcr and therefore would have been included in the numbers anyway? And that it is highly likely that not everyone is actually bothering to upload their antigen results? And that even with antigens included the numbers are falling rapidly?



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    #29695
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492796#Comment_118492796

    No other country does it.

    NPHET will always find a means to crowbar the figures up and up and up.

    We've already peaked, apparently, and yet restrictions are likely to continue.

    Pubs and bars close at 12pm? Where is the European precedent that shows that the 2 extra hours beyond this, prevent some large-scale tsunami of infection that will overwhelm a hospital after the peak has been reached?

    Nowhere is the correct answer.

    Again, call me a cynic but if evidence and logic is not behind the decision, then what the hell is?



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    #29696
    bear1
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    So, really if this goes ahead, our only remaining restrictions would be the 12am closing time and masks?



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    #29697
    JRant
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492904#Comment_118492904

    And the covid certs.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #29698
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492498#Comment_118492498

    BoJo as an example of pandemic management is an extremely low bar and one reasonable gamble doesn't make it otherwise. We are all about the abundant caution, a phrase that has been repeated many times.



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    #29699
    Mr.Crinklewood
    Registered Users Posts: 12,445 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Crinklewood


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492796#Comment_118492796

    I was assuming OP was being sarcastic.... rereading....I'm unsure!

    Post edited by Mr.Crinklewood on


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    #29700
    [Deleted User]
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492904#Comment_118492904

    Covid passport.



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    #29701
    hamburgham
    Registered Users Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭hamburgham


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118492926#Comment_118492926

    I’d say on balance he got more right than our lot. Our prolonged and extensive lockdown didn’t demonstrate any intelligence, just extreme risk aversion and arse covering.

    Population density has a large bearing on this. England is very densely populated so that had a bearing on infection rates. I wonder if national death rates were adjusted for density and age profile, how they would look.



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