What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

We don't have open borders. Even for EU citizens there are still some regulations/requirements for those wanting to stay in Ireland after the initial travel period is expended.

Secondly, a welfare state is unsustainable in the long term, as benefits/supports have to rise to meet the rising costs within the economy/society. The only reason that it continues is because politicians are too weak-willed to make the tough decisions and stand by them. Ultimately, at some point, we need to establish an alternative to the welfare state, that supports those who truly need help, but doesn't encourage dependencies to manifest.

A welfare state is simply too expensive to maintain. Just as the pensions are too expensive to maintain. Lovely ideas, but only really viable when our populations were smaller, and our economies were less expensive to maintain.

Which is not what you said first.

Yes... Ive worked at the coal face in this and know more than anyone on here.

I've seen Dept of Justice(I think that's the Dept that holds the initial interview)interview papers which have even said "for a better life" and that person was here for 6 years(didn't even know what not to say and still here costing the tax payers money) It's actually farcical. I've seen many multiples of these interview papers.

You're completely confusing the DP system with say the asylum seekers that would have been accepted from Syria/Afghan over the years. They don't enter DP.

DP are the ones who arrive from France, UK, mainland Europe on commercial flights where "a man called John took my passport".

If following the correct procedure there should be 0% in that system as they have just travelled from another safe country as we don't have direct flights to any of the countries in question.

The system is so farcical I saw a man who had a deportation order against him.. addressed to him in... Prison... And saw him as far as two years after. That shows how effective that system is.

Asylum seekers in the DP system ARE economic migrants... Almost exclusively, as they have flown through safe countries... Thus not asylum seekers.

I don't care what you did. I was never talking about immigrants in the normal sense. I made it clear I was talking about DP, these are also immigrants and welfare dependent and non EU.

There would be very few non EU who are welfare dependent who didn't come through DP as you wouldn't be given a Visa in such circumstances.

That was the topic.

DP is the only avenue for "non EU who are welfare dependent". They are one and the same.

Except, that's not the case. The truth of the matter is that many immigrants come to a country for a set period of a few years or more, and then leave. The reasons for immigration are varied but many of them are tied to wealth acquisition. So, people stay, work, acquire wealth, and return home after they've reached a certain point.

I lived in China for twelve years.. I was an immigrant for those twelve years. In the west, we often use the term expat instead, but it doesn't replace the term immigrant. It works alongside it.

As for Asylum seekers, the same holds true with regards to reasons. Some come for actual protection. Some come for economic reasons, as shown by the failure of many applications.

Now, I know you've blocked me Bubbly, but this is for others to consider. Taking an absolute when it comes to those in DP or who have been accepted as Asylum seekers weakens any objection to the current situation. Recognition needs to be made that there are valid Asylum seeker claims which are rooted in the original reason why the Asylum status is there.

Asylum seekers are still technically immigrants. Some will stay permanently. Many will stay while the danger exists to them, or until they have the wealth to move elsewhere. There is no requirement on a AS to stay in Ireland indefinitely... and traditionally, the perspective on AS was that it was a temporary measure, and that the State would not have to support them forever, but as with most things, they evolve over time, and the perception changes.

I would imagine most people just want offenders arrested and convicted, regardless of their nationality or religion.