Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

I don't disagree that there's is more antisocial behaviour.

Regarding parents, it's a white cat that has white kittens. The biggest scumbags I knew growing up have the biggest families. Its hardly surprising the children behave similarly

Yes, this explains it well. Doesn't exactly fit with the women have been oppressed for millenia narrative though.

One recent example that jumps out for me is the crash of Rescue 116. I guarantee that far more people would be able to name the female crew member than any of the three men. Even if they can't name the woman, their memory of the incident would likely be along the lines of "that terrible crash where the woman pilot was killed".

i seem to remember there being a tribute to Dara Fitzpatrick at a concert with no mention of the other crew. IIRC it was part of a "great women" type tribute but even so, I thought it was in very poor taste not to even mention her colleagues.

Am I suggesting that female suicides are under-reported more than male? No, I'm not. I'm saying the data itself is meaningless, because it's subjective. It's pointless drawing conclusions from junk data.

Yes, women are also sucked in by marketing. I think we agree. It's completely pervasive, societal. That means it's driven by more than one gender, but the impact and expectation is mostly on one gender.

"Medical treatment is an interesting one to bring up when the facts show that more is spent on women's healthcare than mens" "do we even have a public screening system for prostate cancer?"

I never know if people are disingenuous here, or don't understand the complexity of diseases when they throw out statements like this. Assuming it's not disingenuous. Oncology is close to my heart, I'm part of a prostate cancer therapy project at the moment, so it's certainly not under-funded. On screening, screening for it isn't generally successful as PSA can be affected by many factors. Prostate cancer is also more survivable and treatable than breast cancer.

Breast cancer is more complex. Ductal Carcinoma in Situ, Invasive Breast Cancer , triple-negative, Angiosarcoma of the Breast, Inflammatory Breast Cancer, Paget Disease of the Breast. All different diseases, different therapies, and lower survivability. Screening here gives improved outcomes, therefore programs are recommended and are in place. I could mention as an aside that the screening is f-ing barbaric btw, being strapped into a vice while it's tightened from another room doesn't feel like modern technology. I was left black and blue from armpit to bottom of ribcage from a mammogram. But, it works, so that's something.

Almost every woman I know, or a woman in their family has come away from a dr in their lifetime, having been dismissed that their symptoms are nothing to worry about. That's the point I was making, but that wasn't heard. ;)

"If there's any blame to be dished up here, surely it's on the women "

Yes, that's the general gist of your post, and is the standard line of defense of the misogynist. It's women's fault. Everything men do, and everything women do, is somehow definitely all women's fault. We somehow can't look at it together, without the defensiveness.

In a previous thread on the topic of misogyny it was claimed that a man should not approach, or talk to, a woman in a social setting unless he knew she was open to it. None of those suggesting it could explain how a man could know what a stranger was thinking or feeling.

In this thread it's been suggested that a random compliment shouldn't be proffered with an apparent assumption that men can't give one beyond the "Nice tits" variety.

However, these very same men who should cross the road and avoid random interactions with women should all jump in to defend any woman's honour and call out their fellow man for any comment or behaviour that could be deemed inappropriate.It's actually hilarious to read.

Maybe some education or classes for these poor women who are on edge in their day to day lives, going for a walk or a coffee etc., might help to overcome these worries and allow them to lead full lives? Maybe help distinguish between a wolf whistle or cat call and a genuine threat to safety?

Do you really think women should have to change their behaviour if they are currently unhappy with how men treat them? Is that not just asking them to stop complaining?

Or what do you mean by change their behavior exactly? I haven't read the full thread so maybe you've said it elsewhere.

Well, in the Sam McConkey interview, on which this thread is based, one of the panelists suggested that if a man is walking at night, alone behind a woman or sees a woman walking towards him, maybe he should cross the street to make sure she knows he's not a threat. I see that as something I certainly could do but I don't think I have any intention to do it. I'll probably just continue to walk and mind my own business in the way I've always done.

I won't take offence if the woman wants to cross the road, that's her choice and if it makes her feel happier, she's entitled to do it. But I'll just mind my own business and walk as normal.

I myself have done this before, as I didn't want the woman to possibly feel uncomfortable or frightened.

I can well understand a female feeling uncomfortable/frightened at night in a secluded area should she come into contact with a man.

It's just a natural feeling/reaction I'd imagine. Bottom line is that vast majority men won't strike, but women cannot know which ones these are, hence they have to be thinking that it can be any man.

Males can feel it as well if they are out and encounter a male(s) when dark and in a secluded area.

I'm not trying to be subtle, I'm trying to understand your point of view. Not sure why youre guarded about your perspective, it's an anonymous chat forum after all. You gave an answer and i asked follow up questions.

I think it's pretty normal to challenge beliefs even beliefs handed down form our parents. Not sure what you think my agenda is, I'm just asking questions because I have heard some suggestions relating to this whole topic and I have heard some which are ridiculous, some which are doable but I don't think I'm going to do them.

I'm wondering if there's anything that I'm going to change in relation to this. I want to examine my own beliefs and behaviours and see if there's something I'm happy to do differently and I'm using a chat forum to do it. Seriously, it's not a conspiracy or a trap. It's just a chat. Really don't know why you're being defensive.

And the issue wasn't that women were unhappy with how men "treat" them. The issue was related to safety, and the perception regarding supposedly unwanted interest. You quoted, and responded to my post.. perhaps scroll back and consider the overall discussion (that it related to), rather than trying to change the narrative so that you can argue something else entirely?

I literally pointed out I hadn't read the thread when asking my question. If so put out with having to state a position, there's no need for you to respond at all.

Women already do compliment men and ask them out. It's 2022 ffs.

One night I ran across the road to avoid an interaction with a woman, but I ended up frightening the bejasus out of another woman on the opposite side of the road. You can't win.

Yes, serial killers have become almost a thing of the past. The logistics of being an undetected serial killer in todays world I’d imagine would be mind boggling. The past was a darker place far more comfortable for them. Same for governments too there were far more State level brutal atrocities carried out in the early 20th century than the latter half when the TV camera was ubiquitous.

Very valid point - a man, shot dead at his front door with his wife and kids only meters away. No vigils, virtually no condemnation from the public.

What happened to this poor girl is absolutely tragic, no one (man, woman or child) deserves it. But to open the flood gates and use this tragic situation as an opportunity to vilify and demonise all men in the country for this is unacceptable. Its unashamed bandwagoning by the feminist brigade who seem to be licking their lips with this.

Remember one thing, we're all someones father, brother, uncle, son. Not all men are the filthy, lecherous cretins we're all being made out to be by the media and various feminst spokeswomen.

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I'm sure some would expect you to take your chances in the middle of the road!

There is not much you can do really. Even if there are no men around women will be in fear that one will show up. Unfortunately even if all the street whistling and comments stop, that will have zero impact on the actions of the really dangerous men who will physically attack. It’s going to be extremely difficult to resolve.

Sure. I just hoped you'd thought about your opinion to the extent that you could explain them rather than simply restating them.

But shur, it's just a chat forum. I don't expect you to have reasoned opinions, I just hoped you might have been willing to give your opinions some thought. But, there's no law that says opinions have to be reasoned. No harm, no foul.