Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

He had to go with the narrative that all men are evil mysognistic bastards. The real issue here is we need to properly vet who we let into this country.

I dont think we should take your word for it. Unless, you dont count a murderer as anything other than a "really dangerous" person. Or maybe the women are at fault, they didnt welcome the compliments?

Targets of Street Harassment:

1. A harasser fatally shot Tiarah Poyau at the J’ouvert festival in Brooklyn, NY, in 2016 after she asked him to stop grinding on her.
2. A 15-year-old girl in India committed suicide by setting herself on fire because she could no longer bear the sexual harassment by a 24-year-old man in her community.
3. In 2016, 19-year-old Sohagi Jahan Tonu‘s body was found in bushes near her campus in Comilla, Bangladesh, raped, with her head bashed in.
4. Argentinians María Coni (22) and Marina Menegazzo (23) were murdered while backpacking in Ecuador in 2016, with speculation that it was due to harassment that escalated or they were kidnapped to be trafficked and then killed.
5. Thirty-year-old Japanese Asami Nagakiya was performing at 2016 Trinidad Carnival when her body was found in bushes, likely raped, and murdered. The mayor blamed her based on her clothing. Outrage over that statement forced him to resign.
6. Janese Talton-Jackson was killed in 2016 in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, after she declined a man’s invitations to go on a date.
7. On New Year’s Eve 2015, consensual conversations between strangers in two cars in Denton, Texas, escalated into harassment and then to a man shooting into the other car, killing 20-year-old college student Sara Mutschlechner.
8. In 2016, 15-year-old Prinki was shot by a man who had been harassing her “for some time” in India.
9. In 2015, a mini-bus driver in Tarsus, Turkey, tried to rape 20-year old Ozgecan Aslan, when she resisted, he beat and killed her.
10. Mary Spears was shot by a man in 2014 in Detroit, Michigan, after she refused to give him her phone number.
11. In Brazil, between January and August 2014, 12 young women aged 13-29 were shot and killed by a motorcyclist as they stood in public spaces. The reason? They were young and female.
12. In Vancouver in April 2009, a woman was murdered while running in a park.
13. In March 2009, a 29-year-old pregnant woman was walking home from work in Manhattan with a co-worker when a van drove onto the sidewalk and hit them. Witnesses say the men in the van were “catcalling” the women, who were trying to ignore the men. The pregnant woman was killed and her co-worker was hospitalized.
14. After a Bradenton, Florida, high school football game in the fall of 2009, a young man approached four young women who were in a car and propositioned them for sex. When they refused, he came back with a gun and fired at them. One young woman died from her wounds.
15. In Orlando, Florida, in June 2008, there were two cars sitting at a red light with young men in one car and young women in the other. When asked, the young women refused to give the young men their phone numbers and so the men shot at them. One of the women died a few days later from her gun wounds.
16. In Washington, DC, in September 2008, a young woman was eating dinner on her front porch. When she refused to comply with the demands of an unknown young man passing by, he went home and came back with a gun and shot her. She died from the gun wounds, too.

Then, we have Ruth George, a young college student murdered because she ignored the whistling/compliments.

CHICAGO — The young college student was walking to her car. The man catcalled her. She ignored him.

What happened next could have been lifted from any woman’s most vivid nightmare: The man, Donald Thurman, followed the 19-year-old student, Ruth George, as she entered a parking garage, prosecutors said on Tuesday. He followed her from behind and put her in a chokehold, they said.

“The defendant was angry that he was being ignored,” prosecutors said in a statement.

Ms. George’s family became worried when she did not return home on Friday night, and on Saturday morning, the police tracked the pings of her cellphone to the parking garage, where her body was discovered, face down in the back seat of her car.

So, street harassers, not dangerous at all. Only want to give you compliments or get your phone number.

A great bunch of lads.

The victim complex is how many on this platform time and again only talk about mens issues and how they need help when they are using it as an argument to stop any sort of advocacy for women. Thread after thread the focus is 'women should stop, because what about men' instead of starting threads focused on genuinely helping men.

Of course everyone is going to say they do enough, same as the racism conversation where people say on here they are completely anti-racist and then take continued positions in discussions on the topic here which is against those who are calling for action on racism. But this is the internet, everyone can say they do X, Y and Z outside of here and who is anyone else to judge.

But when someone does start a thread on the topic of helping men, or drawing attention to their needs, you refer to a day highlighting that as a bullshit day.

Is it any wonder mens issues don't get the attention they need when so many react with such negativity to any sort of initiative. It's most definitely a complex.

As I mentioned earlier, again today I passed on a once nice walkway by the river, 3 Eastern Europeans drinking bottles of Polish lager in broad daylight, at around... 4pm? In high spirits, very laddish, looking at everyone that passed. A bit scuzzy looking too. Not being judgemental or anything but I doubt the woman with her pram who passed at the same time felt particularity 'safe' at that moment. I didn't either and wasn't about to challenge them as there was 3 of them and 1 of me. Since when did it become OK to have booze ups outdoors in this country? For all our Irish boozing culture I've never seen it till recently. Not around here anyway. Is it not actually against the law?

Any examples of this happening in Ireland? I don't think anyone will deny issues in place like India. Even the US is a basket case FFS.

Been kind thinking on this one. The outpouring of shock and revulsion and anger about this killing, by pretty much man, woman and child on this island.

hmm. Does this not tell us that men and women are doing just fine? That men are not an issue, generally speaking?

that maybe, just maybe, this random act of violence is just the sad and brutal part of human nature. And that no, some bigger/wider issue about men is not the avenue that needs exploring.

Not interested in whataboutery.

This discussion is about women's safety and social behaviour.

If you are interested in the topic you referenced, you are more than welcome to start a campaign or raise awareness on it to drive change.

That didn't really address the question, in fact all it did was repeat the same narrative as the rest of the thread.

Why are men and their concerns and issues only a conversation piece so it can be used to negate an argument relating to women and their advocacy? There's no shortage of topics that relate to men that need and deserve attention, but they are never almost never focused on outside of what I've mentioned.

Yes but try and find out exactly what same women want and it's not so clear. Can we/they point to any society in Europe or the world, that we should emulate in this regard? I'm not sure it exists.

No offence taken at all.

I would levy the same back at you.

And the patronising bit too.

I dont want to make it look like it was just you with the whistling thing and it was not just you, but it clearly shows that one persons compliment is another's insult. It is relevant to the thread, in fairness. I've no problem with you disagreeing it.

I guess you did not like me telling you to post your own links, then.

Where was the president and all the ministers for his funeral? Or the funeral of the lady stabbed to death on christmas eve?

The sentence of that family who abused, raped and neglected their own family says everything about society. The father who had 31 cases against him got 15 years and the mother who also sexually assaulted the children with 25 cases against her only got 9. The aunt with 3 cases of sexual assault got a year for each of those. Most will probably not even serve the full time for their actions.

Something is very wrong. There is a major difference in this country regarding how we look at crimes and sentencing and also responsibility. It is based on who you are, where you are from, gender and resources. Previous convictions only seem to matter if it's murder and how many people will go before the courts to say how great and nice you are even if you have 100 convictions already. Juries also need to answer for a lot, there has been some very questionable verdicts regarding some cases.

Judges won't take responsibility for letting people with multiple convictions out with little or no time, sentencing is a joke in this country. People don't want to take responsibility for their actions including how they raise their children. Child services won't take responsibility, if little scumbags commit a crime while under their care, their excuse is we don't have the recourses. Psychiatric services use the same excuse, we don't have the resource and let people out who are very dangerous when they don't take their medication. There seem to be a pass the book mentality and no one with a pair to do do something. Increase sentencing and hold people to account and civil liberties will say it's not Billy Bobs or Mary's fault because mammy or daddy didn't love them enough.

Billy Bob beats the crap out of the kids or partner and gets 5 with 2 years off for good behavior. Mary beats the crap out of the kids and neglects them but get off because she is a single mother and life has been hard for her. Or if she had a breakdown, if she kills them gets sent to a psychiatric hospital and could get out in a year.

You can't mention where a suspect is from if they are not from Ireland because it's seen as racist, someone questions why foreign people with convictions are allowed in and it's racist. I haven't seen anyone take Australia or other countries to court citing racism because they refuse to let people come into their country to holiday or live if they have serious convictions. It's forbidden to mention that some cultures value life very differently so why is it bad to want to keep people living in Ireland safe and check everyone coming in for criminal convictions and stop them if they do. It's common sense.

Nail on the head, and not one presenter male or female saying all this is way over the top. Because they are afraid they would lose their jobs.

Yet every person I have talked to male and female have said very tragic circumstances but crazy publicity.

Prime Time,

Miriam's turn to give her views, that opening story was so sad.😌