Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

They were just pulling your leg wondering why some person would be wearing a jacket in summer retro or not.

I don't want to get bogged down in splitting hairs, but this is once again doing the same thing Wibbs. It answers a question about support for men, and one which was originally framed with reference to this platform, with focusing on women and how they have perceived advantages and what would happen were mens concerns brought up.

But that neither answers the question, nor gives support to men around these issues. And that is what I was asking about. Aside from the justification of individual arguments as to whether they are valid or not, one thing women have become very successful at is not being afraid of identifying issues and creating a voice that cannot be ignored.

I don't really buy the suggestion that previous gains were achieved as an outcome of whataboutery as that implies a simplistic motivation for calling for change. Is/was the desire to have equal access, opportunities, representation only being done because others have or so as to maximise the potential any one person as to live their life in the optimum way?

At this point I think its a convenient excuse to say that men are whipping boys and effectively that 'Sure' there's no point doing anything because they'll say bad things about us'. It's not like men haven't been in such a position in the past but persevered and ultimately saw progress. What will it take for men to actually band together to argue for the attention their problems deserve instead of shouting those that do so? Women were laughed at, undermined, belittled, rejected, ignored etc, etc etc and they learned from that and said things won't change unless they made it happen. Are men waiting for women to fix the problems around male suicides, or do they not really see it as a problem that needs attention? Because if it is a big problem, surely the answer must be one or the other?

There seems to be some fever about post 870 and it being racist. OTT exaggeration.

The last sentence may have read a wee bit like a pop, but you can hardly label it racist.

We all know who the gardai have arrested. The person is not a born and bred Irishman from what I am reading. So the poster pointed this out. Big deal.

I think you are failing to understand what I am saying here.

Where did it say anything about Irish men paying compliments? Are you seeing the word Irish written where it does not exist.

Who is this "he" you are talking about. The man arrested now, or the one arrested last week?

Was the one last week the killer as well?

You should not need to have to ask that question. Do you not believe in innocent until proven guilty?

Because there is no conviction. So there is no one guilty of murder as yet.

You seem to be getting confused and making assumptions that when a person is arrested they are the murderer. Person was arrested last week too. Did you find him guilty last week?

"Lived in a number of European countries before coming to Ireland"

Yes, it's the Indo, but RTE had reported he was from central Europe before editing the report.

That's where people are getting it from.

There's enough information there for anyone who knows him to identify him. I've already posted that this kind of detail shouldn't be made public until he's charged.

no the problem here is that the media and the feminists have such power over the message (any message) that they think they can castigate men for anything (basically anything .. the newspapers every day are a litany of anti male opinions) they feel like at anytime anywhere in this country and it will go unchallenged..... We had it with the pandemic (women suffer more nonsense). Men are getting sick of it at this stage.

"Every group will use any situation, however tragic, to run with their own narrative."

Yes but not every narrative need be demagogic.

By "demagogic" I mean that it depends on generating emotion to scapegoat a group. A lot of politics (left-wing and right-wing) is now demagogic. There's always an enemy: men (or should that be 'white males'?), Muslims, immigrants etc.

The PC/woke/political liberalism narrative is inherently divisive, dishonest and wrong. Scapegoating men is bad and who benefits from that? Not any ordinary person.

If some other narrative has been crafted to scapegoat immigrants instead we should reject that as well.

I should have been more clear I suppose. My brother in law is not terminally ill at least that I know of just there marriage has broke up because of something stupid he done but it has to be sorted with the Garda first so the sister does not want to say anymore untill she sees where that goes.