Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

Asking women to be more aware is akin to victim shaming in Ireland today.

Absolutely nobody asks to be assaulted or murdered and there can be categorically no condoning these actions under any circumstances. No woman or man should be subjected to it.

But this insistence that we live in a utopia where we can insist on doing whatever we want, how we want and the inherent risks in life should not be something we have to encounter, well in an ideal world that would be fantastic.

None of the above applies to the poor girl in Tullamore, but say my daughter at 17-18 years of age went out and got absolutely blind drunk, got a taxi home herself/walked home on a dark street, id go absolutely mad. I wouldn't Pat her on the back and tell her it's her right to do so.

There are risks in life we cannot ignore, there are predatory characters out there who will be drawn to situations like this, who will prey on someone who leaves themselves vulnerable. Campaigning for all men to "step up" Is a lovely soundbite, but what happens if there are no passers by to step up during the course of an attack?

Advising a young daughter/niece/neighbour to take greater care shouldn't be met with derision, "it's my right, I should be free to walk alone at night after a night out" Etc... That's not reality unfortunately. There will always be rogue predators out there and it's only after the fact that they are outed, by which stage it's too late for a victim.

Because you probably don't eat cornflakes.

Imagine if you are an innocent Muslim, and all of a sudden you are told you are responsible for of all the extremists after an attack.

Being told if you were in a whatsapp group with another Muslim who was displaying extremist tendancies, that you saying 'it's mean to talk about bombing people' - would stop terrorism.

That Muslims make people feel unsafe.

That terrorism amongst Muslims is a problem that Muslims need to fix. That Muslims need to 'do better'.

That Muslims need to shut up and listen to the West to find out how they can improve.

That Muslims need to engage in lessons in order to be allowed to participate in modern society.

Imagine that articles were springing up such as this one (https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40787319.html), saying that it is all Muslims.

White men are just fair fcuking game I guess. Funny how the people engaging in this putrid vermin would be the first to condemn any of the above statements - the hypocracy is off the charts. The level of vile sexism and bigotry that has been allowed to go unchecked in the past week, and has actually been promoted in the media is actually disgusting. Piggybacking off a horrible murder to further agendas and engaging in performative grief for social media likes. Attempting to get a slice of the victimhood action by equating murder to some time someone catcalled them or some other absolute nonsense. Makes me sick.

I saw a post on social media the other day from some woman - talking about how she hoped her one year old son wouldn't grow up to hurt women, but how she owed it to Ashling to acknowledge it as a possibility. Can you imagine your own mother exploiting you on social media for likes, almost comparing you to a murderer just because you are male? I'd give fairly fcuking long odds on that poor fella growing up to have a normal outlook on life.

I actually think the conversations about whistling, harrasment etc are very valuable.

Of course it has nothing to do with this horrendous murder, and I can understand people being annoyed by others linking them. It’s very unfortunate that some of the media coverage has been quite ridiculous, and seems to be more about the commentators themselves than the very real and serious issues.

I’d say almost all adult women in Ireland have been harrased at some point, which is disgraceful. Loads of men don’t do it of course, and many men have to put up with harrasment themselves, that’s completely true too.

In general society is way too tolerant of disrespectful behaviour, especially from young people.

I don't think pinching is worse when a man does it rather than a woman to be honest, in both cases it is clearly wrong.

Certainly in a public place there's no difference. I suppose if it happened on a country road with no one else around it'd be more threatening if a male did it.

Strange to say, but in my recollection women were at least as likely as men to do this as recently as the 1990s, maybe a bit more so.

It's alarming that groping was as widely tolerated as it was in pubs/nightclubs. I don't know what it's like today, am guessing things have moved on a lot, but maybe they haven't. Back in the day the best way to meet someone of the opposite sex was in a pub or club, so the tension and hormonal level could be high in such places, maybe it's a bit different now that people can arrange dates online.

Excellent choice of words surprised and perplexed' I worked in a bar as a years ago I collected glasses from a table with a group of women sitting down as I turned around to leave one of the women both pinched my arse plus removed my hair tie I had long hair at the time' I didn,t react and just went about my work and put on my spare hair tie. Part of why I didn,t react I surprised at a woman being so forward towards me like that.

A nightclub years ago I recall the girl collecting glasses from a table one of the fellows touched her arse walking past she pointed him out to security bouncers and got rightly Fcuked out of the venue' the group he was with just finished their drinks and left.

Back to 2019 pre covid lockdowns and all that' one saturday night at one late nightcliub some weirdo pulled down his Jeans in front of a crowded room all the bouncers grabbed him and threw him out. Amyone like that should also be named and shamed in the papers so people can know who they are.