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  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    Good for you. You sound like a positive lady

    .. a breath of fresh air on these here boards.

    I think Polish presence in Ireland has improved the country for the better

    Thank you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭JoChervil


    BTW my partner is Irish and he hates slagging...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    Post edited by anewme on


  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    No. Compared to some of the other female posters here, your aim is not to come on and rant just for the sake of it

    I respect that

    The others are simply unhappy coz thats the way they choose to be. There is no pleasing them



  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭bejeezus


    And do Irish men have a Madonna whore complex too that complicates things further? As in , you can do what you like to her, look at the way she’s dressed, she’s asking for it???!



  • Registered Users Posts: 483 ✭✭Fred Astaire


    You know what I find hilarious?

    In this article they talk about the fact that just 9 counties do not have womens shelters as if it is some sort of horrific piece of news. And absolutely, ideally we would have more. (https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2022/0119/1274674-dail-violence-against-women/)

    But how many mens shelters are there in Ireland? Zero. Zilch. Nada. None.

    Mens Aid Ireland says "At least 1 in 7 men in Ireland will experience domestic abuse in their lifetime, 1 in 16 experience ‘severe’ domestic violence."

    You'd have to wonder if the lack of care by society at large keeps that figure lower than it actually is. Sure just in this thread alone we had women trying to dismiss assault against men by women as completely trivial and something men shouldn't be overly bothered by.

    Not one single male shelter in Ireland, but somehow the huge issue is that there are 9 counties without a female one? Imagine you are a lad suffering abuse in the home. That is some slap in the face. The message is very clear - you don't matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭JoChervil




  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    Youre not All the same, Thank God



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  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    Spot on

    Try telling that to Joe Duffy, B O Connor on air tho and they will hang up on you.

    Yup, thats what youre up against



  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭bejeezus


    No takers for the Madonna- whore complex in the modern Irish man? ??? Lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    How come nobody has asked why traveller men should not have to get a licence

    they are the group of guys that “Grab” women as a tradition, which is basically sexual assault



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,710 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    I only really heard men being mentioned, not specifically Irish men.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    There has never been a worse time to be a white, hetro sexual,working male in this country.

    The whipping boy for all that's perceived as wrong with society, racism, violence, discriminatory in a work environment etc.

    The reality of all this is males being an easy target. It is accepted by males for an easy life.

    This thread has increasingly showed lack of mens shelters, evidence of misandry but this is brushed over.

    One female mentioned women were physically weaker however if you go to an employment thread it will be claimed again men are paid more and the gender quotas in certain jobs are unfair.

    The double standards in society are sickening today in Ireland and will eventually cause a massive divide.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx




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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    what we need is for prosecuting people for insults to be combined with our claim culture. It would make it a wonderful, litigious place to live.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Eating pork is “hurting” others. The world needs to toughen back up a bit. Get rid of this ‘someone somewhere’s feelings are being hurt so we have to stop doing this’ bull.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Burping is a natural bodily function. It’s no ruder than sneezing.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That is called mitigation, it is based on facts, not emotion



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Would you consider the media's behaviour over the last week to be violence against men disguised by an orchestrated inaccurate misrepresentation of the safety of women vs the safety of men, launched unashamedly on the back of a horrific murder that sadly nobody could have anticipated or prevented?

    Or is slagging worse?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25 zerone


    Your definition/conceptualisation of 'violence' is completely absurd and beyond laughable. You're being ridiculous. Grow up.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    I wish clowns like this were called out for their nonsense. There was a string of random attacks one night and the police put this out while the attacker was still at large.

    If everyone was a perfect little citizen we wouldn't need to wear seatbelts. Yet we're advised to wear seatbelts because if some clown is drink driving and plows into me then I'll have more chance of surviving.

    And I know what some feminists will say "women are sick of being told what to do to avoid being attacked!"......well I don't hear anyone saying "we're sick of the guards giving us advice on how to avoid thefts in our homes" when they're on nearly monthly on tv telling us to lock our doors, keep keys away from the door, leave a tv or light on if away from the house for a few days etc.

    There's lunatics out there, it's inevitable. Yes you shouldn't be attacked but when there's lunatics out there it makes perfect sense to behave in the safest way possible.

    There's a road the meets a regional road I drive on. It's a T junction. My ma used to drive to the junction and turn left. The main road is a long straight road perfect for overtaking. Visibility at the junction is bad. When turning left, my ma would look right and then turn onto the road without looking left. I told her you don't know if there's anyone overtaking that would be on our side of the road when we turned out. She said "they're not supposed to be overtaking on that stretch near a junction"....and I replied "well that doesn't mean anything if they are and they kill us".

    Honestly I'm sick of the constant whingeing from some women in the last few days "women shouldn't have to..women are sick of the....men don't have to...women are fearful of..." Stop trying to make your gender the victim so you personally feel like a victim.




  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That's not why we wear seat belts



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,024 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Not to minimise the tradegy of recent events, I was reminded of this when I saw you post 😁


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    A young woman is murdered in tragic circumstances. Her life, her future, gone in a random act of senseless violence. A family left broken for the remainder of their days.

    And then we have the media. The media's involvement in this is disgraceful, right from the get go. They had a field day and ,by god, they milked every drop they could. And they'll continue to milk it. Lets demonise all men. Every single one of us, we're all guilty, no discussion, no debate, case closed, shut your mouth. Men are to blame for absolutely everything.

    So many used the tragic death of Aisling Murphy as an opportunity to get on the radio or TV, beat the (in)equality drum, beat the gender pay gap drum, beat any drum they felt like beating because woe be the man who'd challenge them. No, no. You must accept everything I am saying as right and just, you must not challenge or debate me. I am right, all men are wrong.

    The worst out of this disgusting bunch of leeches are the male feminists. Bunch of pathetic, virtue signalling cretins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    I'd nearly re register another account to thank that post again. That concept is absolutely missed with the current narrative



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    How did the.media get it so wrong? How are they so.far removed from ordinary people in the street?

    Is it.going to take everybody emailing/complaining for them to see how wrong they are?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Another example of misogynistic behaviour...

    Men are even better at being annoying feminists than females. 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    "Honestly I'm sick of the constant whingeing from some women in the last few days "women shouldn't have to..women are sick of the....men don't have to...women are fearful of..." Stop trying to make your gender the victim so you personally feel like a victim .."

    Youre right about "some" women.

    I notice a vast difference between eg between East European women (in particular) in Ireland and your "average Irish woman" - esp the ones posting on here.

    What a vast improve to the Visual and Emotional landscape since E European women arrived here. Far, far more emotionally mature. No whining and nitpicking.

    Less precious about managing themselves. They just go out there and do it.

    The whiners on here are generally women who have been overlooked / rejected by men and are permanently embittered. They want everyone to be as unhappy as they.

    They could learn a few basics from their E European sisters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    The media outlets couldn't give a toss - all they care about is advertising revenue. Its that simple. As long as the narrative fits, they'll broadcast/print anything.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,530 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    There's something unsavoury about a baying mob outside a courthouse. Have they anything better to do of an evening?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That a mighty-fine load of generalisation you got yourself there John.

    Don't agree with you at all.

    You're saying random **** I don't even think you can possibly believe and certainly don't speak for me on this one.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    In a thread where the vast majority of posters are saying that the don't agree with the media narrative, that posters are sticking up for the men that they know, you think it's completely ok to come on and put down Irish women, completely generalising women from different countries by your own stereotypical thinking?



  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    I'm not trying to "speak for you on this one"

    It is my opinion and observation as an Irishman born and bred here.

    Same as "all men are not the same", neither are all women

    If you don't like my opinion, I am sorry



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Ah ok. You are entitled to your opinion. Not sure why the fact you were born and bred here is important.

    I just don't see how you could come to the opinions that "The whiners on here are generally women who have been overlooked / rejected by men and are permanently embittered. They want everyone to be as unhappy as they" or "I notice a vast difference between eg between East European women (in particular) in Ireland and your "average Irish woman" - esp the ones posting on here" unless you know all the women on here and their history.

    It just seems like an baseless and needless insult and paints you in a very bad light.

    You say that not all men are the same and the same applies for women. But your previous generalisations indicate that you have no issue grouping women together - especially the ones that post here.

    I have called out many women on this thread for baseless negative generalisations about men because it is infuriating and unfair. I think your doing the exact same, except towards women and it's no less infuriating or unfair.

    But as I said, it's your opinion and you don't need to make any apologies for voicing it.

    Just expect to be met with derision.



  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    'neither are all women'

    And then you completely generalise women and suggest that they are all the same based on nationality🙄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    It's his opinion, which he's entitled to, based on his observations.

    Like if he had an opinion that aliens exist because he observed a flying saucer from his bedroom window. He's entitled to his opinion, even if the majority of us think its complete nonsense.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    "But as I said, it's your opinion and you don't need to make any apologies for voicing it.

    Just expect to be met with derision .."

    Same "derision" that men are met with when they say "we are not all murderers" ..

    All we get is " .. yes, but .... "

    There are lots of foreigners now living in Ireland. Each one if them unique in their own peculiar way

    My observation above - in this case - that E European women show a certain maturity not evident in the general populace needn't be met with derision, Sir

    It is merely an opinion that I and other mates have noticed in passing over the years

    I am sorry that it offends you so



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I notice a vast difference between eg between East European women (in particular) in Ireland and your "average Irish woman" - esp the ones posting on here.

    As with most things on the internet, what is said is rarely representative of the real world. Oh, don't get me wrong. I think a lot of people spend so much time on the internet that they start to believe the opposite, and feel that the echo chambers they participate in, justify their views.. it's one of the big dangers of the internet. It's also one of the reasons I'm glad I'm old enough to remember society when the internet wasn't a common thing. Gives some perspective.

    I'd say that most Irish women are still firmly rooted in the ground, not prone to the flights of fancy and without the overly dramatic views that is common online. Most know the men in their lives are good people. And they, themselves, don't have the wide range of negatives experiences claimed to be so common. etc. Because such behaviors aren't that common in Ireland. They're common in other countries but that's just women adopting the negatives from elsewhere to justify their harsh expectations. Feminist propaganda has a lot to answer for, as does the influence that marketing has had on social conditioning. Globalisation of ideas/concepts due to the internet, as if the experiences of people in America reflects heavily on the experiences in Ireland. It's a shame that the conditioning has been allowed to continue for so long without resistance. The very institutions that should be examining, and fighting against mass generalisations, double standards, and lies, have long been focused on promoting the ideology. However, I would say that Irish women are still capable of recognising the difference between the BS and the reality of the situation. For now.

    The problem for Ireland, though, is that the media has decided to champion certain agendas, and they throw out loads of reports or one sided discussions on TV or the Radio, battering people with their messages, that women are living in a world where they're victimized. It will take a while before this changes most women's views, but it's certainly having an effect on the younger generations. Then throw in the attention to women's studies courses in places like Trinity, which exaggerate issues, teaches them as gospel, and that's another range of conditioning to shape the future.

    As for Eastern Europeans, they're simply behind the curve, and will, eventually, adopt the same crap that is going on here. Personally, I'd loved Asian women for the same reasons you mentioned, but the truth is that they're also behind the curve, and many are very enthusiastic to accept/believe that they're victims due to their gender, and that men are the enemy. Feminist drivel at it's finest.

    But for now, at least, I don't believe Irish women are there yet. Oh sure, there's some who have fully embraced the feminist agenda, but many more are allied to the original concept of being a feminist, being more interested in equality, and less interested in playing the victim, regardless of all the benefits involved. I don't see that lasting, due to the internet, and the media, but for now, there's still a significant portion of Irish women willing to apply common sense rather than embracing emotional outrage.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm not sure I understand you mate.

    I'm not offended in any way.

    The people claiming all men are potential murderers were met with derision. Your "opinion" that the whiners on here are just embittered because they can't get a man and aren't as visually or emotionally attractive than eastern european women are also going to be met with derision.

    If you complain about unfair generalisations about men and in the next breath make sweeping generalisations of your own against women, it undermines any credibility in your position.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    I am thinking his statement may have been intended in a way similar to a Zen Koan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭zv2


    Hey, what if ALL men bubble wrapped? Could we go for a pint then?

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,408 CMod ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    I would say a lot of Asians are victims based on their gender



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  • Registered Users Posts: 422 ✭✭john123470


    Do you speed read my posts ?

    I said above ..

    "Youre right about "some" women

    The whiners on here are "generally" women who have been overlooked ..."

    'Some' and 'generally' do not connote "all"

    I am not afraid of "derision", Sir.

    You may fear it - i don't

    Just reporting on what I observe



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    What you actually fail to realise John, your" opinion" gives very much weight to the discussionj put forward by women here and in the media about misogyny and lack of respect.

    There were similar opinions on the late late show thread against women speaking out - they are bitter lemons who must be squeezed.

    I was embarassed by your posts telling someone that she was let down by men and that she is a guest in this Country and its not your fault that she and women were unhappy. However, those hateful opinions were roasted quicker than a zip firelighter when you had to backpedal. Now you are back with a different angle - Eastern European women great, Irish women - no. The reality is - you dont actually know what nationality the women you are complaining about are?

    I will also say that there is no woman here or in the medai who has said anything in any way close to: The whiners on here are generally women who have been overlooked / rejected by men and are permanently embittered.

    Why do you think women's happiness should be down to men?

    This is the type of attitude that needs to change, or if unable to change, that is challenged every time it is rolled out. By women and men.

    Then, maybe then, there will be some progress.

    Edited to add: While I do see some posters liking John's obvious "views" (indicting that there are more views like this out there), it is good to see the posters calling it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    But you see, it's not. Plenty of people have had a terrible youth but put it behind them and divert themselves away from a life of crime and drug addiction - sometimes with the help of services, mostly without. So my point is that a guilty as charged person awaiting sentencing whose defence solicitor tugs on the emotional strings of the judge with a sob story in order to gain a suspended sentence or a much reduced one is a tactic that is well played. I could argue that free legal aid solicitors engage in these tactics in the full knowledge that sooner or later they'll have the client back before the judge on further charges and the whole rinse and repeat cycle continues. Meanwhile the solicitor commands a hefty fee for his/her endeavours.

    This is alot of where the problems exist in our legal system. I've a few friends who are guards and they'll tell you that they get disillusioned at times putting efforts into catching criminals - repeat criminals, only to have a judge slap them down with a paltry fine. Outside on the court steps the garda will get a sneering smirk and a middle finger from the "poor little thug" that the guard(s) worked hard to get a case into court.

    But hey, who gives two hoots about all of this? The free legal aid solicitor? Nah, this is a game for them; the Judge? Nah, they will be going home to gated houses well away from all of the criminality; The criminals? not a hope - they know how to play the theatrics, put on a sob story and laugh afterwards.

    Meanwhile, you'll get mouthpieces all over the media pointing the finger at society and in particular native Irish men - the ones who for the most part work hard and pay taxes to keep all this show on the road. The past week I think alot of men have had the time to really take a broad look at all of this and start to question it. They're dead right to start asking these questions and challenge the lazy narratives that are costing them in many ways - their wallet through taxes, their mental health and general reputation through ongoing media onslaughts about how we're constantly treating women like second class citizens.

    There needs to be reform and the record needs to be changed.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I have read your posts. In great detail. Which is why I said I don't understand you.

    I get the impression that you think you aren't making a sweeping generalisation. When you use the word generally, you are making a generalisation. The words are related.

    I'm glad you aren't afraid of derision. I'm not sure why you keep putting it in quotation marks though.

    I'll leave it at that. I doubt we will agree so no point in going back and forth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭zv2


    Feminism has unleashed a torrent of gender hate against men. Is it just me or does anyone else here see a connection between the feminist hate campaign and men's anger?

    “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” — Voltaire



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