What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Mass immigration increases the pressure on hospital waiting lists and housing to name just two areas where we don't have a high standard of living.

Could add in added pressures on schools pupil/teacher ratio and that many immigrant children have little or no English which can hold back their classmates.

But what's a citizen anymore.

Standard of living is based upon overall living standards at a national level. Hospital waiting lists, housing, education and immigration and government policies with regard to the provision of public services would certainly form part of that assessment, but the point would be how they contribute to an overall standard of living at a national level, as opposed to your idea of cherry picking what are issues for you personally.

Ireland has a high standard of living because of our Government’s policies. It’s not based upon what anyone does or doesn’t pay in personal taxation, regardless of their citizenship or employment status.

Regardless of their citizenship or immigration status, people who need State supports are either entitled to it, or they’re not. If we were to look at the figures as they relate to social class, people with higher social status tend to be married couples who have more children, and people with lower social status tend to be cohabiting couples with less children -

Families by social class

The social class structure of couples varied according to whether they were married or cohabiting, and whether or not they had children as can be seen in Figure 2.5.

For married couples, those with children tended to belong to the higher social classes. 57 per cent of these families belonged to the higher classes (1 to 3), compared with 50.9 per cent of married couples without children.

The opposite pattern emerges for cohabiting couples. Those without children are much more likely to belong to social classes 1 to 3 (66.1%), while 44.8 per cent of cohabiting couples with children belong to these groups.

Families with higher social status receive more support from the State, and they’re also in a position to better avail of more support from the State, certainly a better position than many immigrants who are entitled to receive support from the State, or avail of public services, but are limited by factors such as being unfamiliar with their rights, unfamiliar with services available to them, the language barrier and just plain old discrimination and prejudice they experience in Irish society with regards to their participation in Irish society.

Discrimination isn’t unique to immigrants of course, Irish people experience discrimination too, sometimes on the basis of their perceived immigration status by other people, but more times discrimination they experience is motivated by different factors related to their social status in Irish society -

• Just over half (51.5%) of women aged 15 years and over were in the labour force (at work or unemployed) in 2016, a slight increase on the proportion from 2006 of 50.2%.
• The proportion of men in the labour force over the same time period dropped from 72.7% to 67.8%.
• More than half (54.5%) of those who were at work in 2016 were men while over two-thirds (67.5%) of people who were unemployed were men
• Nearly all of the people (98%) who were looking after home or family in 2016 were women although the number of men in this grouping nearly doubled in the ten years up to 2016, rising from 4,900 to 9,200.

• More than nine out of ten lone parents were women in 2016 and this proportion has remained stable over the period 2006 to 2016.
• The number of women living as lone parents increased by 14.6% from 115,600 to 132,500 between 2006 and 2016.
• The number of men living as lone parents rose by more than a quarter (27.7%) from 10,100 in 2006 to 12,900 by 2016.
• The vast majority (98.9%) of the 40,317 persons in receipt of one-parent family payments in 2016 were women.
• Just under one in five (18.6%) of the women receiving the one-parent family payment was aged under 25 years.

Well you’re just pulling figures out of your arse mate. Notwithstanding the fact that there is no way I could tell anyones immigration or citizenship status from where I’d be standing, some social welfare offices are busier than others, and there are busier days than others, and I would still have no idea what they’re actually there for, because the social welfare offices provide more services than just signing on for unemployment benefit or means tested assistance.

It wouldn’t make any difference in any case because I don’t care who is or isn’t entitled to welfare or what nationality they are or what supports they need from the State. You’ll wreck your brain trying to police individuals at that level. That’s like… extreme curtain twitching or something! Have you nothing better to be doing than standing outside your local welfare office keeping tabs on peoples comings and goings? 😳

Yeah we are such a great country that you now have parents protesting outside their local schools because they can't get their kids into them.

And no they are now some fancy school but basic schools that simply do not have the room, facilities or teachers to cope with the increased population, be it homegrown or immigrant.

Go to a meeting regarding the building of a new school and count just how many immigrants (legal and probably illegal ones) are there trying to ensure

their kids get a school place in a year or maybe two or three years time.

How the fook someone can claim increased population included increased immigrant population does not put pressure on facilities and services is fooking beyond me.

And illegal immigrants and asylum seekers without any means to support themselves obviously put a greater pressure on social services, public services and ultimately the taxpayer.

A couple of years back I attended a course in a Dublin hotel.

Getting their early to avoid traffic I decided to have breakfast.

At breakfast it was quite obvious that the hotel was used to house people as there were numerous kids in school uniforms.

And a fair few of these families were non Irish and non EU.

Who the fook pays for their accommodation but the Irish taxpayers, be they Irish or non Irish.

Ah yes once again lets conflate legal VISA approved immigrants coming for employment reasons with a bunch of lads lifted from Calais or a boat in the Med or a bunch that got off a flight from Lagos. 🙄

Immigrants coming here to work, especially in areas where we have skill shortages are contributing economically to the country and probably are educated enough not be a drain on any resources but a contributor.

You know damn well that if we just look at your adopted pet project (illegal migrants, asylum seekers, etc) in isolation it will point out what a drain on resources they really are.

BTW making DP centre hotel owners rich is not contributing to society.

Ah yes lets play with the terminology to hide the stats that would make for uncomfortable reading for the plebs paying for it. 🙄

So when is an illegal immigrant an illegal immigrant ?

Surely if I turn up without a VISA, then I am an illegal immigrant until I can prove my case and get approved asylum ?

So lets change the question then,

Are asylum seekers not costing the taxpayers lots of money and taking up valuable limited public resources and services ?

I've a cousin who's a teacher of young children of mixed nationalities,they have to wear a card around their neck and point to things like toilet, bottle of water etc to see what the children want as they've no English, she's told me some of the parents get very irate asking them why their kids aren't learning English quick enough and she asks them do you speak English at home? The answer is usually no...