Do men need a license to be allowed socialise (MOD NOTE IN OP)

It makes no sense to me. At a time when women's rights movements are encouraging the belief that women are sensitive, and need personal space for themselves, regardless of the safety issues, this is being pushed.

Personally, I see no reason to change things. It works well as it is and most people are comfortable with current setup. It's weird this desire to change everything just to satisfy a minority of people, who can't even give good reasons to change things, and little appreciation for the wide range of possible negatives that could come from changing.

We don't need to change everything in society away from what went before. In many cases, the traditional way is better for the vast majority.

Well... while I appreciate the great intentions behind many social changes, I often wonder if people shouldn't have put more consideration into what comes after.

Take physical punishment by parents or teachers towards minors. I understand and appreciate the desire to end abusive behavior, and I've seen most of the claims that it doesn't help much, and generally leaves scars on those punished... but at the same time, there was little interest in replacing the punishment with something else, except for vague suggestions based in psychology (but still generally unproven).

Various posters have referred to anti-social behavior by teens, or violence in general, and I do wonder how much of that is occurring because many adults are unable to control minors without the ability to use physical punishment. There was no attempt to re/educate parents on better parenting techniques after the ban came in... and speaking as someone who has been a teacher (and has read most literature on classroom discipline), everything remains very situational, and there's a lot of situations left unsaid.. with the teachers hoping that what they do works, but no real confidence that it will. That's not to say I'm advocating a return to punishing minors physically.. I'm not. It's simply an example, of a simple change that has had influence over so many aspects of society, with there being plenty of negatives connected.

Making changes to society and culture is generally a good thing, helping to prevent stagnation.. but.. too much change is implemented before considering the practical consequences, and what else will be affected by that change.

I meant the reference more about not considering what came after, rather than the change itself. The lack of preparation in teaching parents/teachers of better methods to manage minors, and just making the change regardless. Not saying that the change shouldn't have happened. It was a great change to make, but it's more an example of ignoring what comes after change is implemented.

Yes, I've seen a variety of documentaries on drug abuse problems in the US. It's frankly unbelievable that the Medical (and Psychology) professions were never made responsible for sheer amount of addictions they brought about, and still do to this day.

Time for some bible. The book is full of rape, incest, murder, rape rape and a bit more incest/rape for good measure. Some of the most notable biblical heroes would be considered questionable characters and most definitely guilty of rape. Abraham was married to his sister. (half sister) Noah got drunk and when his son accidentally saw him naked while trying to cover him up, he curses and disowns him. (seeing him naked may also refer to sleeping with his wife)

Lot, the honorable escapee of Sodom and Gomorrah, went and hid in caves with his two daughters who apparently wanted to have his children so got him drunk and raped him, twice! This was after their father had tried to sell them to some random men in order to barter for a better outcome for himself. Absalom, O Absalom. Yeah he was David's son and he killed his half brother for raping his sister. David was like, meh.

David, King David, took Bethsheba (she was bathing on a roof) and decided to have her husband murdered so he could keep her. Solomon had about 700 wives and maybe 300 concubines.

Rahab was a prostitute, triply marginalized, being a Canaanite, a woman and a prostitute yet she saved the Israelites after hiding the spies sent to "lodge"/have sex with her.

Judith saved Israel by having sex with Holofernes and then cutting his head off. (Deuterocanonical book) Some of my personal favourite stories are the stories removed from the protestant bible (deuterocanonical books) where women actively play important roles but most specifically the narrative of Susanna and the Elders. Susanna was falsely accused by two Elders who had been perving on her. After refusing their demands for sex, they accused her of being an adulterer and had her arrested to be put to death but Daniel intervened and called them out on their bullsh/tting, proved they were lying and had them put to death instead.

There's just a lot of stories like these in the bible, it's like Gamor of Thrones on steroids. I highly recommend reading it because if nothing else it demonstrates that humanity has always been broken and that all these things are not new. But it might give you an insight on how humanity has dealt with its brokenness and an opportunity to heal those parts of ourselves.

I can tell you are an educated man of taste.

Maybe teaching them to read would be a good first step.

What good is anything based on your scenario?

I'm always amazed at the logic that people seek to throw out to justify their positions. There is no defense in such a situation.. and that psychopathic murderer wouldn't have been stopped by a license, or any range of laws in effect. Nor would he/she be bothered with early learning programs to teach him to respect women.

So... what's the point of your example? What does it achieve to use such an example when there is no way to prevent it...