McGinleys suing HSE

I think there's a belief among many that psychology is an exact science, and so the HSE must be at fault. Perhaps is is on a macro level, but hardly 100% accurate on an individual level.

If an orthopedic surgeon puts a screw in the wrong place, against best practice, that's very easily measurable and can be objectively deemed correct or incorrect with no opinion.

Mental health is a much greater area than that to be fair, so a "misdiagnosis" is far less likely to equal "negligence"

I would imagine it is mainly psychologists/psychiatrists that would have that opinion. It is obviously one of the "subjective sciences". You might have heard the joke "if you put 2 psychiatrists in a room you can get 3 different opinions".

That solicitors firm specialises in family law, surprised to see them attached to this case.

This thread highlights clearly just how many people there are in the social media universe that have zero clue about a topic, yet express with absolute certainty an opinion about said topic. Where confidence trumps knowledge comes to mind.

If you don't understand psychosis, I don't think you're best placed to comment on the rights, wrongs or otherwise of the outcome of this dreadful case.

If a diagnosis of, or the severity of psychosis was missed by the psychiatrists/psychologists involved and she was left untreated (as seems to be the case given that the psychosis abated after a few days on antipsychotics), well then yes there could be some accountability on behalf of the mental health team.

According to the article linked above family members wanted her to seek help in the weeks before the incident but she didn’t. It also says she told no one about wanting to end her own and the children’s lives.

Have they found it makes a difference? Does it reduce the number of homicides?

I did a few psychiatric clinics when I was training. I know it's what the consultants are paid for, but it can be incredibly incredibly hard. I have a lot of sympathy for the people involved.

People sit in front of you and tell you one thing. If you over call it and medicate them they may not take it or you're accused of trying to do x y and z with medication. Detaining someone against their will is (rightly) a massive massive thing to do and incredibly difficult. Then you have people on the other side who have no intention of harming themselves or anyone else but say that they do to look for attention.

Now having delays for access to services for people that genuinely want it is one thing and is a sad reality of the service, but it is genuinely a very very difficult area and sometimes bad things happen. Hindsight is obviously 20:20 but I have unfortunately seen a case of a person who presented as a perfectly rational person, declined any further help or medication and then went and committed a terrible act a few days later. The people involved were deeply damaged and upset by it. Mental health is a very very challenging area and unfortunately can lead to the saddest and most devastating outcomes.

If it was a man, he would be in prison. What I don't like is the media and most people have washed her of any responsibility. I think the family wants to blame the health service because they probably (naturally) have elements of guilt that is better placed on the state. I wish Andrew McGinely well and hopefully some lessons can be learned here, but knowing some details on this case, I suspect they have a very minute chance. She should never be allowed out.

For all we know, she may be reading this at home with a nice cup of coffee. Since she's a patient, not a prisoner, we aren't entitled to know anything about her treatment.

?? I think you quoted the wrong post. I'm utterly disgusted by this legal action

Surely this could lead to the floodgates being opened where anyone who believes they were wrongly diagnosed or a family member who may have committed suicide,

Which in turn could see leaving the hse or private sector for fears of being held accountable for a parent or patient going on to hurt themselves or others even though they appeared stable during an appointment

I presume there was expert opinion that told the jury what they should think regarding part (iii).

You would have to wonder though, with all the planning to ensure it was all over with before the husband came home, and the expression that the night before she felt relieved they refused to take the sedatives.